You know, people like Dee Parsons, Julie Anne Smith, Julia Dahl, and people who I knew would not stop talking about it and would not stop talking about it for months. Hi. Pete grew up in a home with intelligent and committed parents: both And Im like, Ive never seen a spiritual leader ever, ever have that sort of self disclosure in front of the church before he preaches. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. And that was how Bill deformed his accountability structure. They didnt have the ability to respond to new issues as they arose. Nobody who is an elder at a church should have any aspect of their identity wrapped up in either the role of being an elder or in the success or failure of the organization. As a lawyer whos represented some of Bill Hybels victims, Mitch Little has seen a side of Willow Creek that few others have. As I look back on my own four years on staff, Im thankful for the teaching and leadership that Pete Briscoe has brought to Bent Tree, and I know that so many of us have been impacted by his attention to the Lord and quick obedience to however God leads him. Now, God is leading our friend and leader Pete away from these walls, and we look on with sadness the sadness that comes when a season you love is passing. And Willow lost the battle of PR on social media. I think thats dangerous. We have an open listing for a lead teaching pastor in a what I believe is a healthy church environment. Put a skin tag on it or a flesh tag. This is a person who is pushing a boundary because they want to do something bad. A man who "dedicated his life to sharing Gods Word with the world" has died at the age of 91. But lets talk about since were talking about the media, Willow Creek had unbelievable resources at its disposal, right. And the Nancy Ortberg situation, a hug that lasted too long. And youre in the process right now of looking for a senior pastor. I know for a fact that his article was circulated among the staff at Willow, and they crossed the Rubicon of credulity. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? What is it was Chicago? Volunteers monitored the process in real time, turning over cassettes at the appropriate time to record on the second side. Mitch has seen church governance from both the inside and the outside. I have plenty of authentic friends just not at church. Pete reminds us that our goal is not to win arguments, but to win people. It was a huge fixture in evangelicalism. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. You know, I believe in spiritual strongholds and things like that. Character always has to come first in hiring, then competence, and then chemistry. We were fighting asymmetric warfare, right? But the thing that was so shocking to me, is that Bill Hy Hybels was the first pastor I had ever seen be so vulnerable from the pulpit. Thats not to say there arent authentic people there. Ive asked that question many times. So Im very much looking forward to our time together today. But then its my understanding too, that when these women met with the elders, the level of bullying and abuse that they were subjected to, was such that I know Vonda told me there were elders in tears at the end of this, of how pervasive the abuse was, I dont know how specific you can be but can you give people an idea of, of what actually happened to these women that were abused? God uses the weak things of this world to confound the strong, right? Because it was lawyers advice, you know, and its like, where does the word of God play into our decision making? Well, one thing I did want to cover, and our time is getting to an end, but I know that you have dealt with having a sexual predator within your church. And so when I looked at that in the context of James MacDonald going, you know what, thats the type of accountability that man needed and was denied. etc. Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. And I think there is a healthy fear. And so I thought it was so funny that James MacDonald had his house in the name of an entity called Vanilla Bean LLC. And I think Christian leaders need to start stepping up. So Mitch has a very unique perspective. I mean, it was a great time. In fact, I know some of them. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. And heres what we have to do as people leading churches, okay, you have to understand what the signs of grooming are so one of the things that I did that really helps me, my good friend, Boz Tchividjian, put out a book through his organization G.R.A.C.E. I appreciate you so much and look forward to visiting with you again soon. Amen. It is simply to feed ourselves. So there were more than 10 women that came forward and said that there was sexual misconduct by Bill Hybels. These are people that are in your country club. But heres what happened when Scot criticized them publicly. Bill Hybels and Bill Clinton, you know, developed a friendship over the years that at least what Ive discovered in my research, there was an invitation for Clinton to come and speak at the Global Leadership Summit, and a confrontation with the elder board about that because Clinton was on the heels of an adultery scandal. Understanding & Overcoming Spiritual Abuse, Part II, Understanding & Overcoming Spiritual Abuse, Escaping & Healing from Abusive Churches, Part 2, https://world.wng.org/sites/default/files/issues/pdf/world_sep012018.pdf, https://www.billionbibles.com/voice-of-the-martyrs.html. I wasnt throughout the representation. The priests who cross the street, right? The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. Do we have a theology of goodness at our church? Okay, how it didnt bring accountability. John and Nancy Ortberg had been at Willow Creek as pastors. Absolutely horrible. Its my understanding that was a watershed moment. One of those women is Vonda Dyer. Pete served as the senior pastor at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Dallas, Texas for nearly 30 years, and he now ministers to pastors and organizational executives through personalized, professional coaching. But before we begin, I just want to take a minute to thank the sponsors of this podcast, Judson University, and Marquardt of Barrington. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. I was kind of thrust into the middle of it out of love for wanting to help my friends and man, that thing escalated pretty quickly. And so when you see behaviors that look like grooming, you know, John Calvin, Im not a Calvinist. So your pastor, he chose himself to step down, correct? Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. Well, since you brought it up, youre gonna youre gonna have to address the Vanilla Bean. To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." And what lessons can we learn from Willow Creeks mistakes? I did live it. What I do, you know, and what Ministry Watch is doing and what all these independent bloggers are doing, that its bringing accountability. Can you imagine what that does for book sales to be on stage at the Global Leadership Summit among people all over the world and touted as an expert in something? The church is nondenominational and has woman pastors and elders. Theyre not holding anybody accountable then. And to do that, we must avoid falling into the trap of our Christian beliefs being pitted against culture in the public sphere of debate. I totally agree with you Julie on how I viewed the Clergy and Church growing up. Well, and thanks so much for listening to The Roys Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. Also I want to let you know that Judson University is planning to resume in person classes this fall for traditional transfer and adult students and its still not too late to apply. Through Petes teaching on Sundays and through various conversations with other staff members during the week, God shifted my perspective on what it means to live life in Christ one from my own efforts to please God to one of Christs efforts on my behalf to love me deeply, extravagantly, and permanently. In this Milgram experiment, they found that people are willing to do things under collar of authority and that they would not probably otherwise do. Correct? And its designed to be acretive, right that they gain strength over time. So, and youre the chairman of your board. Like they didnt read a book, figuring out how to do it, but there are warning signs that people need to be aware of. Let the Briscoes help you experience Life in all its fullness! Just what I call a deformed leadership culture at the church where certain things became acceptable that shouldnt. Id like to share a few things as we navigate this loss together. Its all a Business and Power tool and stage for Virtue Signaling. Amen. Later Telling the Truth began airing in several countries in southeast Asia and across 10 countries in southern Africa. There was another case that also occurred where he committed oral sex with his assistant. A person whos not walking in the Spirit is susceptible to that type of behavior, even a senior pastor. Well, I want to turn our discussion to what youve experienced at your own church, which is a multi-site mega church there in the Dallas Fort Worth area, because those are things where youve been able to apply some of these lessons that youve learned from watching the negative example maybe of Willow Creek, youve learned an awful lot from going through crisis at your own church. Pete reminds us that our goal is not to win arguments, but to win people. I dont agree with a lot of his views, but he said something and it is true, we need to have, you know, church leader needs to have two voices, one for gathering the sheep and one for scaring away wolves. And I still havent been able to get her to visit with me. There was a period of time, Ill call, The Great Loneliness after that Chicago Tribune article came out, where they were radioactive. They had so many churches, thousands of churches coming on board and being a part of those. Because we represent their interests. Yeah, totally agree. With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. Pete Briscoe, our pastor at our church came out in support of the Dyers, which was bold, and it was brave. And it had all of these allies not just in the media, but among the angelical industrial complex, other megachurch pastors, everything. And this is a huge problem in the Evangelical Church in the southern baptist church, I mean, just absolutely massive problem where so often the predators covered up instead of brought to justice. and I found these people in those imperfect churches! We bought the routine and its shocking. Pete has offered to You know, I think, Julie, the other thing that was really whacked out about Willows elder board, and I didnt find this out until very late in the representation was they operated by design out of unanimity. Briscoe Telling another woman, how she looks in a dress and how it accentuates her body, everything up to an alleged affair, to Pat Baronowski, Bill Hybels longtime assistant, stating in the New York Times said Bill Hybels made her obtain pornography and they watched it together. If anything has a whiff of impropriety, we would jump on it immediately. Well, and it troubles me too, that so many of our Christian organizations seem to be more beholden to lawyers advice and counsel than they do the Word of God. Hmm. How are you? Hi Julie, my name is Teresa and I was wondering if Voice of the Martyr was a good place to donate. Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. Briscoe stepped down as senior pastor at the end of 2000 but remained involved in the church and active in overseas missions. Mike is a dear friend and Im sad this day has come. WebPete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrys teaching team from 2003 to 2021. It was everything from Vonda Dyers situation of being asked to come up to Bills room and talk leadership and a forced kiss, you know, a grab around the waist. They need accountability. What Ive told people is, If you are not ready to blow yourself or the organization up in five seconds flat, you need to find a different hobby.. Today were talking with Pete Briscoe, who served as the senior pastor for nearly three decades at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, Texas, and now consults with and coaches pastors. Pete grew up in a home with intelligent and committed parents: both But you have seen the the worst of it. The church is literally a collection of people. Its something like Child Protection Policies. They didnt have the ability to move quickly. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. James MacDonald was friends with Ed Stetzer. Everything started to make sense. I agree, Pastor Bob. These little bitty people, from Willows perspective, who helped win the PR back, its a miracle. WebPete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrys teaching team from 2003 to 2021. Judson is located just 36 miles outside Chicago on a beautiful 90 acre campus. Their board operated by unanimity as well. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth 's media outreach. He, Becky and their kids have been part of the fabric of BT for so long, it is It is also the church in which Pete Briscoe, my former wonderful pastor, grew up in. The Elder Board has accepted Petes decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. And you have to, there must be assiduous accountability going on in the life of someone who has the big radio show has the big platform, his platform at conferences and large organizations, because the temptations are greater. I think he lost it. He represented two women involved in the sex abuse scandal involving Bill Hybels. And Harvest was the same thing. May you and your family be richly bleSSed!!! David Jankowski. You feel that they have to have more of a governance more of a hands on role than a lot of them do. He now coaches Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. Yes, I have be disillusioned many times by churches and some leaders. Pete reminds us that our goal is not to win arguments, but to win people. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. Lawyer for Bill Hybels Victims Shares Inside Story. WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. Please contact us or click here to learn more about how to enable JavaScript on your browser. And gratitude is where we must go in this time, as Kurt Baxter reminded us on Sunday. This is simply a place where I share the message of Gods unadulterated grace through my preaching sermons and bible teaching. And yet youre still in a megachurch, multi-site church. Why did so many look the other way for so long? And Ive been a critic of megachurch multi-site model. There was another documented case where he had oral sex with his assistant back in the 90s at WC. I think it took courage and boldness on his part to be able to do that. You know, when you have somebody like Bryan Loritts, who when hes talking about why when he was at a former church, he didnt disclose to the church that they had a sexual predator among them for six months. Its biblical. I think these women would still like to know the answer to that. I dont know the answer but rampant clergy abuse just took my discontentment to a whole new level. And they were no friends of ours during the Harvest investigation either. But I had limited contact with him. That is not a matter of policy. I think the load needs to be shared. You have to have a strong culture of accountability. If you go back and you look at Bill Hybels books in retrospect, Im amazed at some of the things that are contained in his books that people became okay with. The small tape recording process drew the attention of many people who were eager for a copy of the teaching they heard at church to share with friends and neighbors. I will always have my faith in Jesus but church especially WCCC has been a huge disappointment. Mike is a dear friend and Im sad this day has come. I mean, you dont need to be trying to fit a round peg into a square hole, because it is gonna manifest itself in bad ways. They made a lot of friends a lot of money over the years selling books, promoting programs, platforming them at conferences, platforming them at the Global Leadership Summit. WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. Pete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrysteaching team from 2003 to 2021. 1 talking about this. Pete has offered to Im so glad that theyre godly men like you serving. To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." And theres a lot of people asking, Is that just too great a burden to ever put on one person? How do you respond to that? If they have the character to lead the accountability will help keep them you know, keep them honest, so to speak, you know, its kind of like when you put a bike lock on your bike that. Who hasnt given a friend a friendly kiss once in awhile? It is what manifests. I was the senior pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship for nearly 30 years. So you can go to Amazon and enter in Boz Tchividjian and his book will pop up but you need to know what youre looking for because people who are sexual predators, they have an acuity for blending into society in ways that they dont stand out like this is not like, you know, the sexual predator in your church is not some, you know, grease ball sitting outside your kids ministry just kind of looking for a way to get at, like, thats our common image of what a sexual predator is. Great question. Now, I coach pastors and business leaders in communications and self-care. I think one of the ways that Willow tried to reckon with the situation was to permit Bill Hybels to retire from his role at the church. Pete Briscoe, our pastor at our church came out in support of the Dyers, which was bold, and it was brave. What I saw happen at Willow is, the board as a unit was willing to dissemble in the amount necessary to preserve the organization. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. It was stunning to me. Thank God I have Jesus. We were talking a little bit about the elder board. How does our elder board navigate things differently with that Pastor? And you mentioned to me that there were some stop signs along the way. And someone Im extremely glad is serving in church leadership. Thank you so much. I think ultimately, we are still kind of under the inertia of a culture that was fomented by Pete Briscoe, which was a culture of goodness, a culture of grace and its still carrying forward under that momentum. Well, early on in the process after the Tribune article, we had to make a decision, How are we going to fight a machine of this size that is basically promulgating lies about these women and their families and their supporters? And I reached out to people that I already knew within, you know, the watch blogging community. What makes you stick with that model and believe it can still be used despite how badly that model has been abused? Can I talk about Scot McKnight for a second? Fellowship, Church family, Community. Its about serving God. Welcome to the Roys report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. So Im guessing youre not against lawyers being on board. And a lot of us who sat in the congregation and received from them were, you know, duped and we bought it. In context, I think my meaning becomes clear as I say soon after, agreeing with Mitchs assessment that unanimity is bad: Absolutely horrible. How do we deal with claims of sexual abuse? Its a calling of God. Yeah, they eventually did. This is simply a place where I share the message of Gods unadulterated grace through my preaching sermons and bible teaching. But it was after a period of I dont know the details, and I dont know how much youre at liberty to say them, but its my understanding he went away for a period of time to kind of reflect and assess how he was doing and how he was handling things. WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth's media outreach. I hope you have a great day and God bless. And I think you hit the nail on the head. Why didnt others support them? So he said something about so and sos clothing. The radio program began to attract listeners and supporters, enabling the ministry to expand its broadcasting to a growing number of stations throughout the United States and abroad. Im wary of the theatrical, evangelical stars that are so prevalent now. Fortunately, we have not had so much as one complaint about any one of our pastors or staff members. However, whenever he would do that quavering voice, etc., I would wonder how he could do that for all three identical services? If you want to know what grooming looks like in the context of church, every elder at a church of any size should read this book. Its not okay. God showed him through that sermon how his trip was actually isolating and began a process of transformation. I appreciate your feedback. But it just has not really looked like true repentance in so many ways. And I think it wasnt a problem, Mitch, because everybody always agreed with whatever the senior pastor wanted. And so I do think its a healthy thing when youre afraid of doing wrong, because it will be brought up and you will be held accountable. Please note, our website requires JavaScript to be supported. 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