JAMES MURPHY: What is your present residence address? Despite Flores sporting a black eye the next day (which he admitted to investigators he lied about) and despite police dogs picking up the scent of human decay in his dorm room, Flores was never charged. One of them was Paul Flores, who, to this day, Kristin's family believes abducted and likely killed her. I don't know if Kristin knew anybody there. Jane said she kept this secret for yearseven from her husband. Denise Pearce: The phone call never comes. to find the next challenge. Four months later, while attempting to reconcile, Susan rented out her house in Arroyo Grande. James Murphy: They're interested in seeing Paul Flores get convicted and Ruben Flores get held accountable. Susan Flores's backyard has been the focus of widespread speculation. Flores has never been charged in this case. (The office hired a detective in 2015 to work on Unsolved Crimes for $15,000 a month: There are four open homicide investigations and Smarts remains an unsolved missing persons case. Flores claimed he walked Smart to her dorm at Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo on May 25, 1996 after a night of binge drinking. It's just a motivator for me. Now several women say they were victims before and after her, too. This 9-room home sits on 40,000 square feet of land, which was purchased by the Flores family in 1990. Ruben Flores defense attorney is slated to deliver his opening statements when the two trials resume on Thursday in a Monterey County courtroom. She graduated from San Perlita as valedictorian to the class of 1953 to proceed her education at James R . Jonathan Vigliotti | CBS News correspondent: You wanted to go home, and you were trying to find a way to break it to your friend. Chris Lambert: Everything else, he took the Fifth Amendment. [emotional] I will go outside at nighttime and I'll look up at the full moon and I'll think that that kid's buried somewhere real close. Two years later Smart would go missing and when suspicion quickly fell on Flores, Jane decided then and there that she may have been one of the lucky ones. Since speaking with The Daily Beast, at least one of the women who has come forward saying Flores attacked her has been questioned by a detective working the Smart case. But he entreated each woman who came forward to tell their story to The Daily Beast to reach out to his department. He promised the Smarts that solving Kristin's case would be a priority. Empresa. Produced by Lisa Freed. When they were deposed by James Murphy, they also insisted their son was not involved. Margarita Campos: To this day, like, I was like, why why did I just let her go by herself? There was early mistakes made that you can't recover from when you're missing those vital pieces. Jonathan Vigliotti: They thought she was off possibly having fun. I get into the bathroom and try to lock it and then the door gets kicked open., It was not more than five seconds before Sarah said Flores crashed opened the door and stood in the frame. Janes mother frantically phoned her father. I said, Stop it. So, they did not immediately get a warrant to search Susan Flores's home. November 27, 2020 / 8:14 AM The lawsuit claims they were moving Kristin's remains. Some of those women who did not want their real names used told Lambert about their encounters with him. Sanger said the backyard grave was not at grave at all, and no human blood, hair, or bones were found in it. In the interrogation video played for the jury, detectives can be heard asking Flores, If anybody lies as much as you have, about something as serious as this is, what does that tell you?. San Luis Obispo County. Chris Lambert: They didn't bring cadaver dogs with them. They didn't bring a forensics team. I didn't know how many people were gonna listen. suddenly major pieces of evidence came forward. I was like, Who the hell do you think you are?. Witnesses said she didnt smell like alcohol, but she quickly became so incapacitated that she passed out face-down on the houses front lawn. Meanwhile, the FBI, who recently excavated earth at Cal Poly to look for Smarts remains, referred comment to the sheriffs office. But cadaver dogs told a different story. Chris Lambert's podcast caught the attention of millions of listeners and sparked new interest in the decades-old unsolved case of Kristin Smart. Join Facebook to connect with Ermelinda Thomas and others you may know. Chris Lambert: I think that might have been the biggest misstep that investigators have made to this day. Chris Lambert: That's the upsetting part about it, isn't it? I dont like to talk about that day.. Once the dogs were let inside the room, they alerted to a corner of Flores bed mattress. Lourdes Aguiar is the senior producer. Her parents, Denise and Stan were both educators who encouraged their kids' passions. But Flores' basketball friends told investigators that he already had the. One of Kristins closest college friends, Steve Fleming, noticed that Paul Flores would linger around Smarts dorm hall even though he didnt live there. Chris Lambert: At that point I don't think they had ever dealt with a missing person, a possibly murdered person. In the fall of 1996, a young mother named Mary Lassiter was looking for a house to rent in Arroyo Grande, California. They had become close friends despite their differences. I was like It wasnt. Paul owns a home in San Pedro, CA . But Paul Flores was never charged with any of these incidents. He would be stalking me.. Her younger sister Lindsey says their mother urged Kristin to go there. Chris Lambert: They did a significant amount of digging underneath the house. We were standing by the washer and dryer and we were arguing and he shouted, No! and slapped my arm, Laura said. She never saw accepting the rides as anything but wholesome. She left them only after he promised to take Kristin back to her dorm. I guess the answer is yes. At the time, she was a 19-year-old freshman at Cal Poly in San Luis Obispo, who'd grown up in Stockton, Calif. On the night of her disappearance, she was spotted at a house party, which she left with three people. Margarita Campos: She was absolutely sober when I left her. This boy walked up to me and said Oh hey, you need to be careful of that Paul Flores, I think hes stalking you. James Murphy and Garin Sinclair look at the billboard that has been in their front yard for more than two decades. She spotted an ad for a rental that a woman named Susan Flores had put in. It might be helpful to the investigation.. Thats when everyone got involved, she said. Smarts body has never been found. How a tragic boating crash is connected to the family of Alex Murdaugh, Husband of woman murdered with an ax convicted 40 years after her death, Five deaths with a connection to Alex Murdaugh's family investigated, Florida man tries to use COVID-19 as a cover for murder. People who were there have said she was intoxicated. DAN DOW [press conference]: We intend to use evidence of other sexual crimes in this prosecution to prove the facts necessary for the attempted rape in this case. Flores is charged with murdering Smart as he attempted to rape her in his dorm room. And six months later, when Flores was deposed by James Murphy for the Smart's civil suit, he kept quiet. James Murphy: Having a black eye doesn't make you guilty of anything but if the person you were with disappeared from the planet that's physical evidence. She was too kind-hearted. But Margarita says, the police did not seem concerned. Murphy alleges four nights later, strange activity was seen at Ruben's house. And had law enforcement drilled a handful of holes in Floress mothers backyard to search for evidence that Smart might be buried there, perhaps Floress alleged serial sexual assaults would have been prevented. Devastating. Despite identifying a prime suspect for her murder, law enforcement did not arrest Flores until 2021. Paul Flores was lying through his teeth to law enforcement, Peuvrelle told the jury. Chris Lambert: It's hard to take too much credit But I was one piece of the puzzle that helped to make this all come together when it did. But Murphy says there were other incidents that should have raised alarm bells about him with law enforcement from the very beginning. Denise Pearce: She was becoming more and more alarmed, you know? Chris Lambert: Around the time Kristin disappeared, they cut out planter boxes in the backyard, so they cut out big chunks of concrete and filled it in with soil. Often, Sarah would be at one party or another and there was Flores. He'd go through tunnels, under bridges, looking for his daughter and expecting best case scenario. Investigators are currently digging under Rubin Flores' home in another apparent attempt to find the missing teen's body. James Murphy: The question for decades was "Well, where did the body go?". And I was, like, "uh OK, fine.". James Murphy: Every day. Just very involved with their children. When they showed up, it was Paul Flores. When The Daily Beast tracked Flores down outside his home last month, he didnt mount much of a defense. On October 18, 2022, Paul Flores was found guilty of first-degree murder. Mary Lassiter says the earring she found in the driveway matched the necklace Kristin Smart is seen wearing on this billboard. On Monday, deputies served a sealed search warrant at the home of Ruben Flores. James Murphy: I'm not at liberty to describe how it was documented. San Luis Obispo County sheriff's officials gather under a coroner's tent in the backyard of Ruben Flores' house in the 700 block of White Court in Arroyo Grande on April 13. In the meantime, Paul Flores moved to Southern California, where he bounced from job to job. Flores father is now charged with helping cover up the homicide by burying Smarts body in his Arroyo Grande homes backyard. I told him, You never do this again! And here's your key." Flores said he suffered the black eye during a basketball game he played with friends in Arroyo Grande on Monday. The interrogation was recorded just days after Smarts college friends alerted police that she was missing. Any tidbit of information or recollection could make the difference in the recovery of our beloved Kristin., disappearance of another woman under almost identical circumstances: Kristin Smart. But the investigation is ongoing. And there are more horrifying allegations about what may have happened to Kristin after she was last seen with Paul Flores. It was just the three of them standing in the kitchen before Jane was handed a plastic cup. Ermelinda Flores' property in Washington state has been searched by investigators in February 2020. James Murphy: And it says wrongful death and then I put murder. (No video or audio). Not at all. Even though he'd never investigated anything before, Lambert quit his job to create a podcast about the case. Denise Pearce: Kristin hasn't come home And we're not sure where she is We don't know anything. It is every parent's worst nightmare. JAMES MURPHY: Does your son have any information as to where Kristin Smart's body is located? I think they're just waiting to see what the outcome is going to be. Guardar . I was lying down on my back. Susan Flores, an Arroyo Grande resident whose son Paul is the prime suspect in Smart's disappearance, broke her silence after new searches in the haunting case last week. Susan P Flores Age 71. Other names that Ermelinda uses includes Ermelinda M Macarthur, Ermelinda M Flores, Ermelinda M Mac Arthur, Ermelinda Flores and Ermelinda M Thomas. Murphy immediately filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Flores in civil court. During opening statements of Flores murder trial this week, prosecutors played a video of Flores stumbling over questions from Cal Poly campus police detectives inside an interrogation room. Balloons wrap around the Kristin Smart billboard in Arroyo Grande after the arrest of Paul and Ruben Flores in April 2021. Ermelinda Macarthur currently lives in Kenmore, WA; in the past Ermelinda has also lived in Long Beach CA, Arroyo Grande CA and Bothell WA. Chris Lambert spoke with some women who knew Flores back then. Chris Lambert: They're hopeful, but they've also been let down so many times before. Flores said he suffered the black eye during a basketball game he played with friends in Arroyo Grande on Monday. He says they are Ruben's ex-wife Susan and her boyfriend. Margarita soon decided she'd had enough. There's no question about it. But perhaps Mary Lassiter's most disturbing story was about being awakened very early in the morning by a beeping sound coming from the backyard. Two days after her daughter went missing, Denise Smart got a call from Cal Poly's campus police. AKA: Susan Flores, Sue P Flores. I was like Oh my God. Any evidence that might have been there was long gone. Chris Lambert: The only thing he would confirm on tape is that his name is Paul Flores. Five months after Kristin Smart disappeared, Paul Flores was brought before a grand jury but no charges were ever filed. Flores and Smart had spoken at the party. After the four students had walked about halfway back to the dorms, Paul Flores told Davis and Anderson, Dont worry I got her, Ill take her from here, according to prosecutors. It's been a long night for the Smart family and San Luis Obispo County Sheriff's detectives as they continued to investigate an Arroyo Grande property belonging to Ruben Flores. Ermelinda Flores' property in Washington state has been searched by investigators in February 2020. In October 1996, Mary and her family moved in. Denise had told Lambert that her daughter had been working as a lifeguard at the university's rec center, and every morning Kristin's watch alarm went off to make sure she was at the pool by 5 a.m. Over the years, law enforcement and the Smarts' lawyers have searched Susan Flores's backyard several times, but nothing has ever been found. Murphy has filed a new civil suit against Ruben Flores for the intentional infliction of emotional distress. He promised the Smarts that solving Kristin's case would be a priority. A popular true-crime podcast, Your Own Backyard, revived public interest in Smarts disappearance. They got to the parking lot of an apartment complex. The National Read Across America Day takes place every year on March 2, Geisels birthday. They're known for being a really safe school.". During a camping trip in Fresno, California, in the early 1990s, Floress female cousins playfully swiped and hid his wallet while walking en route to a liquor store to purchase slush puppies. Nineteen-year-old Kristin Smart disappeared Memorial Day weekend of 1996. D.A. If you come near her again I will kill you!, His buddy pushed Paul real hard and he fell through a desk before he ran for his life.. JAMES MURPHY: Your husband have information as to where Kristin Smart's body is located? Last month, authorities searched Ruben Flores' home in Arroyo Grande. Me, my sister, my cousinPaul has no limits, she said, requesting anonymity. Her dorm entrance is right over here. Around 2 a.m., party-goer Tim Davis told Smart that she could not spend the night passed out on the party houses front lawn because it was too cold. He had pinned her down and had his hand down her bathing suit groping her.. Chris Lambert: So, if you believe Paul's story, he goes into his dorm room here. But Paul Flores remained behind bars help without bail. JAMES MURPHY: Has your son ever told you that he did not kill Kristin Smart? They are aware that they had no eye witnesses, a body was not recovered, there is no physical evidence, and no forensic evidence, Sanger said. It is believed she is deceased, but there is no evidence of what happened to her after Paul Flores left her. Over the years, Susan Flores's backyard has been the focus of widespread speculation because of stories like the ones Mary Lassiter told Chris Lambert. Alicia Tejada is the field producer and Addison Briley is the associate producer. I don't think she went back to her dorm at all. Flores spit that he would rape her, she said. "48 Hours" agreed. Chris Lambert: It was never marked as evidence apparently. An important tip came in after a February 2020 search of Paul, Susan and Ruben's properties. Four months earlier, Kristin Smart, a freshman at California Polytechnic State University better known as Cal Poly had gone to a party on Friday, May 24 the start of the Memorial Day weekend. Mary Lassiter says the earring she found in the driveway matched the necklace Kristin Smart is seen wearing on this billboard. At the time Kristin Smart disappeared, investigators did not immediately search the home. Chris Lambert: And that's when they're told that earring has been misplaced. Lindsey Smart Stewart: I think they're, like, carrying boulders on their back. A student named Paul Flores, Susan's son, volunteered to take her back. After they broke up, Laura did a little sleuthing and discovered her ex-boyfriend was accused in Smarts vanishing. SHERIFF IAN PARKINSON [to reporters]: It's been a puzzle and it's a very slow process to find each of those little pieces some of that information came to light through the podcast many of you are familiar with. Our roommate came in and yelled Leave her alone. DAN DOW [press conference]: We have evidence that we do believe there are other people that are not yet identified that have had some kind of a criminal act perpetrated on them by Mr. Flores. Personal details about Paul include: political affiliation is unknown; ethnicity is Hispanic American; and religious views are listed as Christian. The day after my sister disappeared, Paul Flores had a black eye and scratches on him. James Murphy: To see them in custody was a feeling of great joy for me. That witness initially came forward to Chris Lambert, who passed the information to the sheriff's office and Murphy. Prosecutors Think Paul Flores Tried to Rape Kristin Smart in Dorm Room Before Killing Her On April 13, Paul's father, Ruben Flores, 80, was also arrested and charged with being an accessory. 2020 CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved. So had Margarita Campos, who lived in the next room in Muir Hall. putting murder on the lawsuit was sending a message to Paul Flores and his family, that we believe that he killed Kristin and that we're coming for him. In his mug shot, a black eye can faintly been seen. Margarita Campos: I'll never forget her shadow against the building, this apartment complex, just standing like kind of cross-armed with the long leg And she was just kind of like looking at me like, [sighs] you're really walking away now, like you're really, you're leaving? She told him that shortly after moving in, she was washing her car in the driveway and found an earring next to the left front tire. And my roommate actually kicked down the door to make him stop. or even her keys. In high school he was known as a loner. That's when the campus police finally handed the investigation over to The San Luis Obispo Sheriff's Office but they did not find Kristin. Dave Minsky,. When authorities later confronted him with the two stories, Flores admitted lying and offered a new explanation. Flores claimed after walking Kristin back from the party, he went to his room in Santa Lucia Hall while she walked alone to her dorm. I have this PTSD fear of someone kicking the door in.. At the time, they did not know about a missing college student. Paul Flores, then also a 19-year-old freshman, had . He returned later that Friday night and they drove to his friends home which Jane described as sparely furnished. Just days after she disappeared, an incident report seemed to imply that Kristin's behavior contributed to her disappearance. The woman, whom well call Jane, believes she was roofied, raped, and discarded by Paul Flores and his nameless friend when she was a 15-year-old high-school sophomore in 1994. In 1997 when Paul Flores was deposed for the civil suit, the only thing he would confirm on tape was his name. SALINAS, Calif. (KRON) In the wake of Kristin Smarts disappearance from Cal Polys campus, detectives knew Paul Flores was lying through his teeth, according to prosecutors. Lindsey Smart Stewart: She had traveled the world before she even made it to college. We just, "do you know anything about it". I remember thinking he was right behind me in the doorway and I think he was trying to get to the door before I could shut it., Sarah said she was quickly manhandled by Flores. PAUL FLORES: On the advice of my attorney, I refuse to answer that question based on the fifth amendment of the United States Constitution. Lindsey Smart Stewart: Right. He believes that meant "the batteries went dead and that the object that was beeping hadn't been there very long.". Somos la comunidad inmobiliaria ms grande de Mxico que conecta de forma gratuita a quienes ofrecen y buscan cualquier tipo de propiedad. Like the Smart's civil case, theirs also has been on hold. It's, like, she has nothing on her. More critical evidence was seized when investigators used ground-penetratingly radar that found a grave where Smarts body was once buried in the Flores familys backyard, according to prosecutors. Like what may have been discovered in March 2021 when investigators searched Ruben Flores' house using cadaver dogs and ground penetrating radar. She was looking forward to hearing from Kristin that Sunday. They took off running, Jane said. When they reached the turnoff to Cheryl's dorm, she says Flores tried to hug and kiss her. I guess you can call it little white lies, Flores told detectives. A break in the case happened in 2020 when sheriffs deputies wire-tapped the phones of Flores, his father, and his mother to record their private conversations. And I was like, "nah, I have to study." Margarita Campos: But when we got to the house it was pretty dead too, it was really -- it was like a couple of roommates hanging out playing video games And Kristin was, like oh gosh, there has to be something better than this. Ermelinda Flores, 81. PODCAST | EPISODE 1: At least once a day I asked myself what are you doing? The dogs were trained and certified to detect human remains. He was seeing someone on the side who he called his friend, she said. A . One female cousin called Flores a pervert. BOE-A-2023-5092 Orden JUS/181/2023, de 21 de febrero, por la que se aprueba la relacin provisional de personas admitidas y excluidas en el proceso selectivo para acceso libre, al Cuerpo de Gestin Procesal y Administrativa de la Administracin de Justicia, convocado por Orden JUS/1254/2022, de 7 de diciembre. JAMES MURPHY: What is the name of your father? And it was only 250 miles from Stockton, California, where she grew up with Lindsey and their brother Matt. She has not been charged with any crimes in connection with the case. That warrant allowed them to dig up the backyard, but deputies chose not to excavate. Paul would try to get Kristins attention and she was too nice to tell him off. She made a decision that shes regretted ever since. It was updated on October 22, 2022.). When Kristin Smart disappeared, Paul Flores's parents Susan and Ruben were separated and living apart. Even when law enforcement let them down, they refused to give up. That would be Susan Flores, the owner of the home where Flores is suspected to have buried Smart. And they told Lambert they weren't surprised when they heard about Flores's connection to Kristin's disappearance. "48 Hours" looks back to their arrests and how the saga began. Kristin Smart 19, a freshman at California Polytechnic State University had gone to a party on Friday, May 24 , 1996 -- and has not been seen since. He invoked the Fifth Amendment 27 times. I never realized its the same guy that harassed [Sarah], he said. These new allegations against Paul Flores are very troubling and deserve to be thoroughly investigated. Chris Lambert: It's mostly frat guys from the Kappa Chi fraternity. Smart, a native of Stockton, was nearing the end of her. They might have found evidence in those vehicles. Jonathan Vigliotti: Was this case, given the evidence that was lost early on, doomed from the very beginning? Copyright 2023 CBS Interactive Inc. All rights reserved. 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