In 1904, it debuted on the Winchester 1895 lever-action rifle. Excellent condition with Leupold 2-7X Scope. Don't get hung up on the old garbage that everyone else in the past has done by thinking the 444 is somehow merely a 100 yard cartridge. Big or not, the .405 Win. psi. Its oil-finished black walnut, nothing fancy but with a handsome grain. He designed a number of great Winchesters such as the Model 1886 rifle, the Model 1885 Single Shot, the Model 1892 rifle, the 1897 shotgun, the Model 1890 rimfire and of course, the Model 1894 Winchester. If you think a 44 Mag is bad than leave the bigger guns alone. Even with todays new generation of premium bullets in most calibers, the Noslers still do the job and do it better than most. Another tick against the .405 was the Model 1895 rifle and its stock design that tended to accentuate the recoil unpleasantly. Interestingly enough, the .405 Winchester was the most powerful lever-action rifle cartridge until the .444 Marlin came along over 50 years later. www.randyscustomrifles.com |. Best Winchester. Winchester 94AE 444 Marlin caliber rifle. psi.. with (2082 fps) 2888 ft. lbs. Winchester sees it much the same way. Results on the latter were decidedly mixed, and Roosevelt admitted it was a bit wanting at the largest end of the game spectrum. 444 Marlin VS 45-70 Trajectory. Chamberings Offered. And spring bear is just around the corner. of muzzle energy. Aug 20, 2016. The well-shaped fore-end feels good in the hands and features a graceful Schnabel tip. .260 Diameter The .260" bullets are most often used with the 6.5 x 70R cartridge. I'm thinking about adding a Winchester/Miroku 1886 lever action rifle to my collection in 45-70 with Redding dies, Starline brass, and X-Treme 405 gr. Williams still makes a receiver sight for the Winchester 1895, but the company notes its FP-Winchester 71 will not fit on .405 Win. I'll give you the extra 100 fps even though all factory loads are at 2200 fps just like the 444 Marlin's 2200 fps. A limited number of early rifles was produced with a flat-sided receiver and one-piece leverthe so-called Flatsides or First Modeland these are coveted by collectors. The highest velocity for the 200 grain 444 bullet from the Marlin is with v-N120 and he doesnt give a pressure reading. Browse rifles for sale by action type, including Bolt Action, Lever Action, Semi Automatic and Break Action rifles. But in 1972 Marlin reintroduced the model 1895 chambered in .45-70, after which the .444 gradually fell out of favor. cartridge, but thats not how President Teddy Roosevelt actually referred to the gun he used extensively on his African safari. Though many changes were made, the primary difference was that rifles produced after 1964 no longer had a Mauser-style "controlled round feed" bolt. One of the reasons the .405 Win. Its close to the .410 diameter of the .450/400 Nitro Express 3-inch, which is justifiably admired as a dangerous-game cartridge, but the Nitro pushes a 400-grain bullet at 2,050 fps for 3,700 ft.-lbs. Breaking my own rule about testing everything I read in gun articles before I believe it. 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All Rights Reserved. Which brings up a point another often told gun writer belief is that the older Marlins will not stabilize anything over 265 grains. I worked up four handloads with Hodgdon H4198 and the same Hornady bullets found in its factory ammo. Still undecided on the rifle. Interestingly, one of my favorite reference books, Philip B. Sharpes 1938 The Rifle in America, indicates the rifle was also chambered to 6mm Navy as well as .33 WCF. Semi-automatic and striker-fired, the P320-XTEN is extremely accurate, easy to shoot even with powerful 10mm loads and holds 15-plus-one rounds. With the 225 grain jacketed bullet and 46 grains of H4350 he states velocity is 2369 and 54727 These were musketsthe 1895 was produced in rifle, carbine and musket formand saw action in World War I. The average wasnt bad, and I was able to shoot one group under an inch, all shots touchingindicating that with younger eyes and/or an aperture sight you could get plenty of accuracy. 9.3 vs 405 Win [Re: Metalguy] # 148743 - 24/12/09 11:06 AM : Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply I run 600 rounds between cleanings . After its introduction, the 1895 rifle and .405 Winchester cartridge quickly became very popular among American hunters. The hallmarks of the 1895 are its internal, non-detachable magazinea first for Winchesterand the resulting distinctive profile. Price: $1,295.00. and 1,250 ft.-lbs. Mag. But speaking of wild boar, Boddington said with the standard 300-grain load its lights out on hogs, and it certainly has enough energy to tackle the biggest North American game. Winchester 1886. Contributing Editor for RifleShooter Magazine, Brad Fitzpatrick gives us a review of this modernized version of an iconic favorite. Well I hope not I happen to like the 405 just the way it is and would hate to see it replaced by anything. Click here to learn more about Long Range rifles >. The main difference between the two really starts when you begin to stretch them out more, say, past 150 yards. 44-40 win; 444 marlin; 45-70 government; 450 bushmaster; 450 marlin; 450-400 nitro express; 458 lott; 458 win mag; 460 wby mag; 470 nitro express; 12.17x44 rf . I, for one, am glad to see it back. Scott Rupp gets a chance to talk to Aaron Oelger about a few new products from Hodgdon and why reloading store shelves are empty. My Marlin was purchased in late 1969. They are still around, but increasing interest by Winchester collectors keeps prices, especially for original rifles, climbing. Bitching about it wont change a thing. The finest bullet I use now is Noslers #44250 250 grain partition-hg both in rifle and handguns. It has been popular for gun writers to say things about the 240 grain 44 bullets like. at 444 velocity the 240 grain 44 bullets are like a bomb ortheir penetration is lacking because they over expand too quickly even in deer like animals or.. they are no good for large animals like elk because they wont penetrate deeply enough with dire warnings about wounded big game animals getting away to a lingering death. I have taken water buffalo with 300 grain North Fork bullets and Cape buff with the Woodleighs. However, at 200 yards, there isn't much of an issue. [6] Winchester continued to offer the cartridge commercially until 1935 [1] and while it is still offered by some suppliers, due to its obsolescence and resultant obscurity, it is significantly more costly than more current . and the top load for the 250 grain jacketed bullet is 43 grains of H414 for 2142 fps and 58423 PS- I didnt look at the date of your article but I suspect it pre-dates Hornadys introduction of .405 ammunition. Mag..30-06 Springfield vs. .270 Winchester6.5 Creedmoor vs. 7mm-08 Remington8x57 Mauser vs. .318 Westley Richards.358 Winchester vs. .350 Remington Magnum.22-250 Remington vs. .220 Swift.270 Winchester vs. .270 WSM.26 Nosler vs. 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum.458 Win. In the mid of the 1960s, the .45-70 Ammo had disappeared from the market, and there was no big bore bullet available to fill the chambers of a level action rifle. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." It can be measured or computed empirically and has been for this recoil table. I was hoping for reduced recoil with the 300 grain bullet, but now see if I ever go after dangerous game, I have an option. The other very fine bullet and my second choice is the Hornady soft nose 265 grainer. Tips, techniques, and equipment are applied to these classroom discussions on how to become more proficient and successful at making long-range shots while hunting with AR-platform rifles. 405 Winchester .411 LR 40-50 Sharps Bottle Neck .403 LR 40-50 Sharps Straight .403 LR 40-60 WCF .404 LR 40-65 WCF .406 LR 40-70 Sharps Bottle Neck . The trigger is pretty good for a lever action. Subscriber Services. Barrel lengths on the original Winchester 1895 ranged from 22 inches up to 28 inches, and the modern 1895 comes with a 24-inchera length that made its debut in 1903 with the introduction of the .303 Brit and .33 (possibly) and .35 WCF chamberings. Not always the most accurate, or the most velocity. Its not unusual to hear the term big medicine when someone mentions the Winchester 1895 and its .405 Win. of muzzle energy, and that combo will handle any North American game animal. Indeed, the .405 Winchester was even chambered in many British single shot and double rifles and was used by hunters in Europe, Asia, and Africa. So could holding your breath till you faint, but I know how not to do that. Also loaded with smokeless powder, the original Winchester .405 load propelled a 300 grain round nosed bullet at an astounding 2,200 feet per second (3,225 foot pounds of energy)! President Theodore Roosevelt was a huge fan of the .405 Winchester and took a pair of them on his famous African safari, pronouncing the cartridge as big medicine for lion. I have a had number of folks tell me the case head on the 444 is to large for 50,000 cup. I have an 1895 in 30-06 that is a very good rifle, accurate with factory loads and carries well for a day in the woods. Your choice of sites is up to you, but if shots are 100 yards or less the red dot is a good choice. See the embedded video. Winchester Big Bore 94AE .444 Marlin, $404. I had put some red dye in my jug, and at some 92 yards I hit it with the second shot. just looking for feedback on some quality rifles for around $550 in .338 win mag and .444 marlin. An original 1895 Model in .405 commands a premium, but you can still find a repo occasionally. Id seen photos of the 1895, and I wasnt sure what to make of its looks, but now that one has been sitting in the rack in the office for a couple weeks, Ive really fallen for it. Maximum case length for the .444 Marlin is 2.225 inches. The .405 Winchester was powerful enough for use on any North American big game from whitetail deer all the way up to moose and grizzly bear. There is absolutely no real world trajectory that separates the 405 and the 444 Marlin. Calling and shooting predators is one of the things that helps hunters get from the end of the fall seasons to when the turkeys start gobbling. Compare that to the .375 H&H shooting a 300gr bullet (.305 SD), the .416 Rigby with a 400gr bullet (.330 SD), or the .458 Winchester with a 500gr bullet (.341 SD) H4198 and reloader 7 are the most accurate powders in my experience sight in the 444 marlin , at 3.5" high at 100 yards is close to 7" low 200 yards, and about 28 " low at 300 yards, President Theodore Roosevelt was a huge fan of the .405 Winchester and took a pair of them on his famous African safari, pronouncing the cartridge as big medicine for lion. A few years ago Browning/Winchester reintroduced the Model 1895 rifle, and eventually they made a limited run of the rifle in a takedown configuration chambered in .405 Win. The match was simple: Each shooter provided his or her own target in the form of a water-filled, one-gallon jug. Scarce "Timber Carbine" with 18" ported barrel and pistol grip stock. The Barnes 300 gr Buster at 2,150 fps is pure penetration in the 444 Marlin and I highly doubt the Weldcore would prove to be a better load than the Barnes on large game including big bears. I shot an antelope in the butt at 125 yards or so with the same load now they are small animals but that bullet went forward the entire length of the goat and stopped under the chest hide. Unfortunately, Winchester made a number of modifications to the iconic Model 70 rifle in 1964 to make it cheaper and easier to manufacture. I think the sectional density issues have been solved. As befits a lever action of its era, there are no sling swivel studs. As far as I can tell noone has said the 444 is a bad or a short range cartridge. vs. .340 Wby. 375 Ruger, 375 H&H, 348 Winchester, 405 Winchester, 338 Winchester, and 458 Winchester, there are tons of higher recoil options. First, they were cool. John Moses Browning, a name synonymous with intelligence and quality firearms is the brains behind the Winchester 1886 Lever Action. Introduced in 1965 with the .444 Marlin cartridge, the Model 444 was the most powerful lever action of its day. vs. .300 Win. Heavier bullets are available; they can run as heavy as 335 grains, though the 265- and 280-grain remain the most popular. of energy respectively. If you look close at the ballistics tables they'll soon tell you the 405 shoots flatter farther and hits harder than anything you can sanely run thru a 45-70 levergun. These permit installation of a receiver sight. 405 Win, 300 grain jacketed load out of a 24" 1895 Winchester at 2400 fps. I hope you. I had taken it with me to compete in a side match at our local CAS shoot Saturday. Im told it is too much trouble to keeping two different pressure loads in the same caliber cartridge separated, that it could be dangerous to the Marlin. Interestingly enough, the .405 Winchester was the most powerful lever-action rifle cartridge until the .444 Marlin came along over 50 years later. of energy but Im trying to keep this oranges and oranges). 444 Marlin Ammo As impressed as hunters were with the .30-40 Krag, they got even more good news when Winchester introduced the .405 Winchester (aka the .405 WCF) in 1904. The Model 94 TE is also chambered in the ubiquitous .30-30 Win. Bullet size notwithstanding, even in the .405s heyday the majority of big game hunting in the United States involved deer-size game, and while today you would include hogs as well, then as now there isnt a ton of call for a cartridge on the .405s power level. So whats new. The .444 is a relatively easy cartridge to load for, just remember to use a fairly heavy crimp to prevent bullet set-back in the tubular magazine under recoil. For one thing, the Winchester 1895 had a reputation for punishing recoil when equipped with the standard curved rifle butt plate. Its interesting to see how the accuracy improved as velocity went up, so this gun seems to like em on the warm side. Our price: $36.99. During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. I did manage to generate some good groups from the bench with the iron sights, albeit at 50 yards. If you're recoil sensitive the 405 ain't the rifle you want. Bryce M. Towsley This cartridge has the potential to be the best deer hunting ammo . If you want a 338 I would go with the Howa, Weatherby Vanguard, or Savage. While the .405 is distinctly lacking in factory offerings, fortunately for the 1895 it loves Hornadys 300-grain load. During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. While I think the .444 Marlin is a sound design, there is such a diversity in the .45-70 Government makes it a logical and abundant choice for the hunter. However, while Roosevelt was very pleased overall with the performance of the the .405 Winchester in Africa, and did take several species of thick skinned game like hippo and rhino with it, he also noted some of the limitations of the cartridge as well (p141): The Winchester and the Springfield were the weapons one of which I always carried in my own hand, and for any ordinary game I much preferred them to any other rifles. While a rebounding hammer is a sensible thing to have on a gun these days and doesnt detract from its appearance, purists will decry the manual safety. But like 45 caliber bullets, 44s (.430) pack a lot of weight in short stubby bullets Lees load for the 300 is 42.5 grains of H4198 giving almost 2100 fps at over 40,000 . I don't own a Marlin rifle, mine is a Win 94 Big Bore with 1-12 twist. I was pushing those 240s over 2600 fps. The 300 grain Hornady Interlock and Barnes TSX bullets are particularly high quality choices for reloading. The high-velocity smokeless load was in a class with the .444 Marlin, and its power exceeded the .348 and .358 Winchester. Give a Gift cartridge came about in 1904, chambered in the Winchester Model 1895 rifle. And cast would give even higher velocity. If you zero at 100 yards, the .405 is dropping 8.3 inches at 200 yards and 30.2 inches at 300 yardswith 1,727 ft.-lbs. But a proven cartridge just as the .444. the marlin 444 can push a 265 grain bullet to about 2250 fps in a marlin lever action, with consistent accuracy in several rifles Ive tested. Naturally, the 300 grain Hornady bullets can handle most American game. Spirited information exchange. Im not sure a 200 grain 44 bullet would hold together on a large animal at that velocity, but surely the right cast bullet would. Until the advent of the .444 Marlin it was the most powerful cartridge ever chambered in a lever-action rifle. While the current rifle is also available in .30-06, I think for most people the .405 Win., which made its debut in 1904, will be the more interesting chambering. However, she was shooting the cartridge in the stronger Ruger No. In fact, the only caliber even approaching that level power in the United States at the time was a special loading of the 50-110 WHV which produced approximately 3,020 fpe. The action operates smartly. Previously sold. Lee states with 57 grains under the 200 grain jacketed bullet and 41300 cup the velocity is 2730 fps. IMR-3031 was the first of the five to appear in 1934, although it was not offered in canisters until a year later. Market Price: $50.39. The sad part is I believed all this for years. Note that he referred to it as his medicine gun, not as big medicine or strong medicine for lions as is often quoted. 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Formally known as the .45-70-405relating caliber-powder charge-bullet weight specificationsthe cartridge was commercially known as the .45-70 Government, and that 405-grain lead bullet travelled at a muzzle velocity of just about 1400 fps, though a heavier 500-grain bullet was soon employed. The 45-70 in a hunting round will use a 405 to 500 Grain bullet. It was this encounter that led to the now famous quote that he documented on page 200 of African Game Trails: Tarlton took his big double-barrel and advised me to take mine, as the sun had just set and it was likely to be close work; but I shook my head, for the Winchester 405 is, at least for me personally, the medicine gun for lions. Though certainly designed for black powder, the .45-70 Government survived the transition to smokeless powder, though the chosen firearm will certainly dictate the pressure levels to which the cartridge can be loaded. My late Godfather Oren Mick DeCheck, my maternal great-uncleenjoyed a .444 Marlin as his deer/bear rifle, and my DadOl Grumpy Pantsstill reaches for his Browning 1886 centennial .45-70 Government, so both of these cartridges played a role in my shooting world. Handguns; Rifles; Shotguns; Parts; Ammo; Optics & Sights; Accessories; NFA; Knives; Archery; Reloading; . the biggest bull was half facing me, just two hundred and eighty yards off; I fired a little bit high and a trifle to the left; but the tiny ball broke his back and the splendid beast, heavy as a prize steer, came plunging and struggling to the ground. Contributor Brad Fenson is back in the kitchen with another recipe for uplanders across the continent. Marlin added their own .444 Marlin straight wall chambering to the 1895 action, calling it the Marlin 444. . The case can also be handloaded to impressive figures in a suitable rifle, and there are some excellent bullets like the Swift A-Frame which will further enhance the performance of this old design, yet the classic cast-lead bullets at low velocities are still fun to shoot. Thanks for your comment. are more powerful. Item Number: W10775. I have taken it on a couple of hunts but never been able to close the deal on a critter with it yetsomething I need to reconcile. . 22-250 Loader Pack (100ct. The cartridge and the rifle enjoyed moderate success here in the States as a bear and elk rifle. Bullets from Barnes, NF, and Woodleigh make a big difference in the effectiveness of the cartridge. The Model 1895 was the last John M. Browning design for Winchester. But the 444 is a 250 yard game cartridge, not because of a lack of power but because of its down range drop. They show 300 gr bullets at 2500 fps, and 400's at 2159. The .405 Win. Also, a 45 70 quickly and cleanly kills a hog. Lee doesnt give velocities for this bullet but does for 270 grain jacketed bullets with 46.5 grains of H4198 at 2261 fps and 3065 ft. lbs. The shooter would place the jug where he or she wanted to shoot it. African Game Trails by Theodore Roosevelt (p29, p141, p190-191, and p200), theIdeal Catalog Book No.17 circa 1906, the Winchester Handbook (p154), the Lyman 50th Edition (p335),and Hornady 10th Edition (p724-725) reloading manuals were also used as references for this article. The Remington Model Seven is ready, willing and able to handle just about any task. of muzzle energy. Energy. There is something almost magical about big-bore lever guns; to me they represent big-game hunting at close quarters. [4] Catalog listings of the cartridge ceased in 1955. to commemorate Roosevelts safari. Marlin introduced the .444 Marlin in 1964. While he did indeed use a Winchester Model 1895 rifle chambered in .405 Winchester with great success on a number of African big game species, there is a lot more to the story of the cartridge than just Roosevelts hunt. A centerfire cartridge, the.405 Winchester rifle cartridge is made by Winchester. But at 2730 fps the muzzle energy is 3310 The 444 Marlin is close in class to the legendary .45-70. The .444 did have its moment in the sun, and there are still quite a few shooters who quietly enjoy their lever guns each season. Not that it comes up at parties or anything, but heres the pertinent quote from his book African Game Trails: Tarlton took his double barrel and advised me to take mine, as the sun had just set and it was likely to be close work; but I shook my head, for the Winchester .405 is, at least for me personally, the medicine gun for lions.. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. Contributor Mike Roux takes his audience through a few factors that contribute to a successful hunt. It is still popular because of its incredible versatility. Sharpe wrote that it was one of the cleanest-burning powders in the DuPont line, flexible enough to handle cartridges from the .22 Hi-Power up to the .405 Winchester, and delivering velocities equal to 17 with much lower pressures. Remington also tried to capitalize on the popularity of the .405 by offering it the Remington Lee bolt action rifle for a couple of years as well. I did shoot a couple 100-yard groups just for fun, and they came in around 2.5 inchesgenerally in line with what I got at 50 yards. I shoot the 95 in 405 and a 45-70 sharps. I love the latest, greatest cartridges and gun designs we have available to us todaywere living in a golden age, for surebut theres a lot to be said for a 125-year-old design and 116-year-old cartridge that are still ready, willing and able to continue to serve Americas hunters. The Winchester 1886 is back in several iterations, the Henry lineup includes the .45-70 and even Marlin saw fit to offer its Model 1895 Guide Gun in .45-70. Its a straight wall with a case length of 2.583 inches, longer than both the .444 Marlin (2.225 inches) and .45-70 Govt (2.105 inches). vs. .300 Wby. The rifle didnt like the starting load at all, and its not included in the accompanying accuracy chart. I can't find anything that comes terribly close to that. At the same time, it was also excellent for use on just about every species of African plains game. Today the .444 has a small but staunch following among lever action big bore enthusiasts. With an MSRP of $1,459 and an approximate street price of $1,190. The .405 also outdoes Hornady's 265-grain LeverEvolution load in the .444 Marlin at 3,180 ft.-lbs., but the .444 Marlin Superformance (3,389 ft.-lbs.) 405 win; 416 rem mag; 416 rigby; 416 ruger; 416 wby mag; 44 mag; 44-40 win; 444 marlin; 45-70 government; 450 bushmaster; 450 marlin; 450 rigby; 450/.400 nitro express 3" 455 webley; . You want something that has a lot of eye reliefe!! That was until someone reminded me that a 444 Marlin is very close to it balistically and that I already have a 444. The original Winchester factory load consisted of a . What is the average muzzle energy for a .444 Marlin? What is your level? Both are suitable for nearly any big-game animal, save the African dangerous heavyweights, and both have fervent, passionate followers. Better to have bullets of, say, .30 caliber.308-inch diameterthat can be loaded in a variety of cartridge cases. A 300-grain soft point or metal patch bullet travelling at 2200 feet per second was the original Winchester factory load. Kimber's Hunter Pro Desolve Blak takes the firm's more affordable mountain rifle to new heights. The .405 also outdoes Hornadys 265-grain LeverEvolution load in the .444 Marlin at 3,180 ft.-lbs., but the .444 Marlin Superformance (3,389 ft.-lbs.) The .444 Marlin is nearly identical to the .405 Winchester ballistically, but the Marlin model 444 is slimmer and lighter, compared to the bulkier and heavier Winchester model 1895. . Click here to learn more about Take Down rifles >. As the official military long-arm cartridge from 1873 to 1893when the .30-40 Krag kindled the American love affair with .30-caliber cartridgesthe .45-70 Government was used in both shoulder-fired rifles and the Gatling guns, but like so many military cartridges, it also quickly gained a following among sportsman. Calling and shooting predators is one of the things that helps hunters get from the end of the fall seasons to when the turkeys start gobbling. The .444 Marlin (10.957mmR) is a rifle cartridge designed in 1964 by Marlin Firearms and Remington Arms.It was designed to fill in a gap left by the older .45-70 when that cartridge was not available in any new lever-action rifles; at the time it was the largest lever-action cartridge available. Buy it. When the Winchester M1895 was discontinued in 1936, the cartridge was considered obsolete. The current Model 1895 is offered in two chamberings: .30-06 and .405 Win. The results were impressive; the 300-grain soft point at some 2,200 fps made the jug come apart nicely. For that reason, Ruger produced their ubiquitous Number 1 Tropical rifle in .405 Winchester for a time and Winchester has offered a couple of limited commemorative production runs of Model 95 rifles made by Miroku over the years as well. 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