), .40 S&W (447 ft. 9mm is the way to-go. Later Now I see these new cops high fiving each other for passing. It is a dangerous world, much more than most believe. However on the range I like 9mm CZ P01 or Sig Sauer, I'm of the opinion that your article, as good as it is, is lacking in accurately assessing the capacity issue. His first patient was a guy shot right by the belly button. It is also something to consider when deciding on a load to purchase that you know will be used in a variety of pistols for a variety of purposes such as IDPA or 3-Gun. That would explain why unbelieving (LOST) people in "HELL" "BURN, but NEVER BURN-UP"..!!!"??? Also, for you suppressor enthusiasts out there, the .45 ACP is an inherently subsonic bullet. All are in 9mm, we both love our Glocks and Shields. The more we all know, the better organized and stronger the shooting and hunting community will be. I had a Beretta 9mm issued to me when I was 11H in the Army National Guard and it was ok, but I prefer my Gold Cup over that pistol. I like the Bodyguard, unlike a lot of people. A 230 grain .452" diameter projectile traveling at 835 fps has a Taylor KO of 12 while a 124 grain .355" diameter projectile traveling at 1150 fps has a Taylor KO of 7. They are often shooting at moving targets who may be taking cover and at the same time the officers are trying to take cover and not get shot themselves (this isn't range shooting). government .45 and several spare mags concealed. Ok, Id agree thats a pretty reasoned response - its a complex issue (eg. Expanding bullets passing through a bad guy should have little energy left, just don't miss. If a 9mm fails, it won't perform anywhere close to an unexpanded .45 and will punch a tony hole. That is literally the definition of subsonic : below a certain speed ( the speed of sound). As for when you spray, I'll leave that for others with more experience. I guarantee it's not something you'll want to do again any time soon. However, if the same linebacker hits you at a sprinting speed of 14 miles per hour, its really going to hurt. ), , and 10mm (650 ft. I'd love to find a 10mm SubSonic round in the 250gr range, my son has a Kriss Vector with a SilencerCo can. I chose 45 acp. Both are valid points and very understandable reasons to prefer one over the other. 9mm is not close. Don't be so quick to kill your brother just because his opinion is different than yours . Also loud as hell - enough to alert everyone in the house and even if you miss, the intruder is less likely to stick around to hear the mechanics of a pump signaling a second shot is on the way whether they're armed with a piece or a crowbar, unless they intend to harm you, rather than just steal your stuff. Here it is for those of us who have long since forgotten: KE = 0.5 m v2 where m = mass of object v = speed of object Muzzle velocity is something youll see on boxes of ammunition and on ballistics stat sheets, but you may not know exactly how muzzle velocity impacts performance. The velocities displayed are an average taken from six readings. 9mm: FMJTC: 124: 396: 1200.38: SJSP: 125: 261: 970: As we can see from the charts above, the 9mm at double the pressure, translates to near double the amount of muzzle energy . When I really want to do some damage my S&W Govt. No longer carry a 1911, I now prefer Glock. During the EVAC of Vietnam, one VC was dusted with a .45 to the shoulder and he was DRTdead right there. Can you do that under stress? Thanks for the one sided argument. I'm not an expert on injuries caused by ammo though. If you have to reassess after every shot, then that first shot needs to count. From the days of the trusty Colt M1911 to modern .45 caliber handguns like the Glock G21 and the Sig Sauer P220, the .45 ACP has always been one of the most reliable calibers on the market. for Grizzly. I shot IPSC and IDPA 30 years ago. Edit : You can get a firearms licence in this country but you have to be a farmer or pheasant shooter with an impeccable criminal history and with verified references and personality tests. I am purest. My sub-compacts with their polymer frames are smaller and easier and lighter to carry than a steel 1911. But barrier's and body armor slows 45's down to BB gun effectiveness! The 1911 has a 3.3" barrel and is also small. When it comes to generating energy, all things being equal, increasing velocity does this more quickly than increasing mass. And if USA made the job in the Pacific, in Europe it was USSR, for WW2. That is simply bologne. In this case, the 9mm has a velocity of 1,150 feet-per-second (fps), while the larger .40-caliber bullet leaves the barrel at 919 fps. A .45 is a solid push in you hand. I have both 45s and 9mm's but I'm not emotionally attached to the 1911 or 45 ACP, it's not better, it's different. What do you think? and 45LC with one shot kills, both head shots. And if you shoot at a car,it sounds like a hammer when it hits,and the bad guys know its not a pop gun aiming down on them.They find the gas peddle most rikki tik. It offers a larger magazine capacity given a similarly sized firearm. A heavy bullet going slow with the same energy as a light bullet going fast will transfer energy to the target better, but won't penetrate as well. The .45 has proven itself, period. Regarding protection against tyranny, every empire in history has fallen (you know that as well as any). I went along with more powerful is more effectiv and broke hammer struts on two N frames aka back to S&W factory. What does "slow" mean? The 919mm Parabellum (also known as 9mm Parabellum or 9mm Luger or simply 9mm) is a rimless, tapered firearms cartridge . Adrenaline is not the deterrent you make it out to be, some people actually perform better when "amped up" so maybe YOU would be would be useless but you have no right to comment on anyone but yourself. But that's all a moot point. Thanks for the tips Katherine. I was a die hard .45 fan but when I got the concealed license, it just wasn't comfortable to carry. If you're really intent on a firearmgo bigger. Allow me to offer a suggestion (well not a suggestion as the FBI state's so)..the FBI did not drop the .40 cal due to the improvement in .9mm ammo. I may earn a small part of the sale from links to any products or services on this site. The Wild Bill Hickok method of gun fighting: rapidly draw your gun, calmly stand your ground, carefully aim and press the trigger, observe the target fall, holster your gun, turnaround and walk away. have the .45 pistol/carbine combo, luv 'em. These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. I can still put a magazine full of .45 ACP right on target fast enough to get yelled at by the range officer. The last comment is assuming that a high velocty rifle round is a good penetrator. Not always which round is bigger, faster, more powerful!!!! There are really two types of gun owners who really want to focus on muzzle velocity. That is just simply a foolish claim to make. You said: "With a .45 you can hit him anywhere, even in the arm or shoulder, and you're going to knock him down. Ive been doing this for 40 years. Good show! And after all, spending more time on the range does make you a better marksman. Having said that, here is something to consider. i have used them on Coyotes and have seen the damage they are quite impressive. I went with the 45 Smith&Weston MP2 Shield that is good foe me. No matter what caliber you pick, we got you covered in our Best 9mm Ammo and Best .45 ACP Ammo reviews. I love Eric's articles. Type your email address and well send First mag size for home or personal defense holds no water! This negates the added magazine capacity advantage of the 9mm. I don't rely on the bullet (nor the sound of racking the gun, nor the sound of explosion to scare the intruder away). : For me any Glock is a gun that I will be aiming at the dirt, while most Sigs & S&W revolvers will be on the money. Which is best? Great piece. Then buy noise canceling ear muffs for about $20 because if you ever pop one off indoors it will hurt your ears. The Federal 147gr Hydra-Shok JHP had a total velocity average difference of only 54fps across barrel lengths and a total loss of 5.5%. If a guy rushes you with a knife and you shoot him with a few rounds of 22lr in the chest he'll probably die. When comparing the Glock compacts in both calibers, the 9MM was less bulky, lighter, and easier to conceal. The cookie is set by crwdcntrl.net to collect statistical data such as the number of visits, average time spent on site, and what pages have been loaded, for targeted advertising. It can significantly increase damage in rifle bullet wounds. No need to buy specialized rounds. Mass times velocity is momentum. The .45ACP is a superior defensive round, all else being equal. The important things here are Bullet Type, and bullet placement. That being said, I would go to hell and back with my HK USP 45. Terminal ballistics are not adequately covered. Two were head shots. ======================= The .45 stopped them in their tracks. However, it's very reasonable to say that without American manufacturing, production, and agriculture the United Kingdom would have either fallen directly to the Germans or more likely would have been starved into submission. When getting my LTC the instructor was gushing all over it because I was the only one without a Glock, which I actually do have as well, but just love the 96 so much. They are not 'cheap' as in inexpensive, either. . Then the spray and pray method was adopted. Imo our quality of life, freedom and liberty has been slowly eroded since the end of ww2. The prospective of gun use (effective distance) and barrel length is to myself most important you dont want to bring Time to grow up and recognize the difference between feelings (nostalgia, cool factor, historical value etc) and facts. Even on the Eastern front, a large part of how the USSR was able to keep fighting was because of American lend-lease. One of the most attractive things about choosing a 9mm for home defense is having more rounds at your disposal. It does not store any personal data. Provided by Google Tag Manager to experiment advertisement efficiency of websites using their services. Seriously, people think that the 9mm rounds are the only that made progress in development. I went to work on the Police Dept. I LIKE them all. I don't want to carry anything bigger. I don't know-seek advice. As you can see from the data, the 9mm is heavily impacted by barrel length. Fortunate enough to equip your firearm with a suppressor? And speaking of commentswe had some fun with this video. I grew up listening to stories & seeing the animals taken with the caliber. It's simple and I know the answer, velocity and follow up shots. lbs.). I was using a Glock 17 and really liked it. Some people are hard to stop. No speed loaders, just six more rounds in the bullet loops on the holster. One ammo for all. 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