Well, you know, we laugh about it. This isnt phrased to have constructive conversation. So its critically important that the truth be told. And at the end of the night, we looked around the room, we had talked through it. Ive looked back at that email thread, Ron Duitsman who was the elder board chairman, resigned that day. Hes asking for money. She also previously hosted a national talk show on the Moody Radio Network, called Up for Debate, and has worked as a TV reporter for a CBS affiliate. And we got to a Saturday meeting then on the ninth. And I want to help people lead the church well. Tim, thanks I should have read before commenting and exactly! We had a group of Pastors who interviewed him and he gave us free tickets to his Straight Up conference. But I think my kat has watched too much Kenneth Copeland. That this was all a plot by him that he was vengeful, towards James McDonald. And that reminded me of something that Dan Marquardt told me. No One Knows. As youll hear in this podcast, there was a strong push to suppress those letters by those loyal to James McDonald. Theres still one more thing I want to ask about. Can you share what was in it? And remember, a week before the decision had been made, in terms of not qualified as an elder and his employment would be over. James MacDonald Suspends New Home Church Network Julie Roys September 29, 2020 Seven months after launching a Home Church Network (HcN) for those who "struggle to get to church or to stay in church," former celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, is suspending the program. How can we approve this? I was literally sitting in a hotel lobby waiting for a pickup at one oclock in the morning to catch an overnight flight back from India. And I looked at it, and I could not read the whole letter in one sitting. It was so much easier to read and understand. Who Will Pay for the SBCs Abuse Reforms Over the Long Term? Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? I look back at those meetings. Like, I cant believe this. What I especially find troubling is this: How come nobody has talked about the false doctrines that MacDonald has been preaching??? He was like he started appealing the process. . He has always been a total its all about me. Were just talking a minute ago, you know, the emotion and the weight and the relief and the sadness, and all those things are true. And by that time Harvest was 30, in its 31st. May 19, 2021 10:53 am To some former Harvest Bible Chapel insiders, Rick Donald was not just James MacDonald's right-hand man; he was also his "hatchet man" or "smiling assassin." Load more And it was a pretty tough meeting. And with that opening, I felt like it was confirmed. Tell Harvest Church board hows the fruit now? Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? And man, if you go back and listen to this morning, morning show I I just, I remember turning on the radio and hearing this, you know, Old MacDonald had a call, e-i, e-i, o This young man had put together it only Mancow can can deliver something the way that he does. So if you cant say anything, I mean, again, hes dismissive of the actual letters. I encourage you to talk to Christian doctors who are fearful of extreme under no circumstances legislation that now forces molested preteens to give birth, and makes it difficult to treat a septic But by the time we were done that night, the decision that night was two things. There would be no Roys Report without Judson University. Well, and I remember, I remember this whole thing, because Im getting bits and pieces from different sources about whats going on and whats happening. And I dont know whether it was Rick Donald, who was was talking at that point about he had the letters, and didnt think that the elders should read all of them. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. Understandable. And I remember reading through that scripture and reading through Hebrews 13:17, about elders overseeing and giving an account, and Galatians 1:10 about am I trying to please man, am I trying to please God? In June, Visconti also posted a picture of him and his wife with James MacDonald and his wife. Not all the elders had physical copies of the letters at that point. There was a push for him to be able to resign, and to negotiate on several points that we now know what have you know, let him walk away with millions of dollars. The ministry is growing, we should expect to be attacked. Who were all shameless self promoters. Hi. James MacDonald and Harvest: Years of Discord . #JRgossipslut #JRcancerinChristsbody. It was a battle in the natural but more than that, there was a spiritual battle going on then, and I think its still going on now. Yes, I agree. I remember saying to the larger board, Guys, it is the grace of God that we have these letters. . So that we could live in freedom. You cant unconditionally support anybody. He was the senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel megachurch in Rolling Meadows, Illinois, United States [1] [2] and was the host for the church's former broadcast ministry, Walk in the Word . So I appreciate it. Opinion: What is Revivaland is it Happening at Asbury? | (Photo: Harvest Bible Chapel video screen grab) Harvest Bible Chapel has dropped a lawsuit against author and journalist Julie Roys and the writers of the Elephant's Debt blog amid public scrutiny for an alleged culture of fear, intimidation, and financial mismanagement. (Julie Roys) Eight years ago, prominent author and pastor, John MacArthur, strongly warned the Moody Bible Institute about its association with now-disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald. When I did not immediately respond, MacDonald tweeted I had declined his invitation, which I did not. But like you do what that says and the people responded as you hope Christians do. Lets try little role reversal here. I remember sitting on my couch waiting to press the button to publish it. And and again, I got out of this like so unbelievably easily. Nearly 30 pages, innumerable charges between all those people, Julie, they served on the staff of Harvest Bible Chapel for somewhere between 40 and 50 years collectively. And he says he refuses to read it and says hes not going to mislead the congregation. So grateful to be healthy and happy in the Lord to where I can finally wade into the filth from JuLIE Roys. And I was still on the elder board, we shrunk the elder board that next week down to nine men. Again, Dan was one of the elders who confronted James back in 2012, and then got excommunicated from Harvest. And theres Ephesians 5 about exposing the unfruitful works of darkness having nothing to do with those. If you wind back and in in elder meetings, I remember it being said by several several people, years before, if people start arguing the process, you know, you have them right up there arguing in the process. And then he apologized. If you went back to when the Elephants Debt was launched, I think this is telling. He surrounded himself with yes men and used intimidation tactics to keep people in line. uterus or clean out a womb after a stillbirth (because these treatments are labeled abortions, and even that word brings out comments like yours). And there is one thing we know about Satan. Julie, thank you for your excellent work in exposing that which is done in darkness, among the body of Christ. This was a many time thing. But its a story that needs to be toldand rememberedgiven that MacDonald is trying to relaunch his ministry in Chicago. Im sorry, before a so called board.removes a man of God they must first consider the fruit of his ministry. Yeah, I got sued, but the case got dropped. In that same meeting that same Thursday night, he argued, the elders shouldnt have the letters. Yeah. In the area (a south metro suburb of Minneapolis, MN ), that's just the average cost of a house. And when I read that, I just shook my head. Ed Stetzer was given a car by James MacDonald, along with a bunch of cash and other things that Roys documents in her reporting. And you know, told her that I would get it to the motherboard. I know its your hope too, Dan, and I just want to thank you. it's time for the cult of personality of James MacDonald at Harvest chapter to close and the actual Bible to be opened . Divorce is a civil remedy that is necessary when there is abuse, physical, emotional, financial, or even when people are incompatible. And he opened the meeting, looking at me and said, I know what youre going to do, and the church is going to implode or blow up, and its going to be on you. James MacDonald and His Earlier Attacks on Julie Roys. Thats what the weight was. Wow! A strong woman with a weak husband will become a toxic woman. Just saying a lot of vile things. And I did it. Its phrased to make you feel morally superior. But somewhere around 2008-10 his preaching changed a bit. And the demands that James McDonald made to try to go home a day early. And Im just trying to smear him. Jesus died on the cross for to take the weight of our sin so that we could be released from it. Hes a deceiver. Literally more than two dozen people. We had to deal with it. TED also reported that MacDonald's church Harvest Bible Chapel was $65 million in debt. But to also say, this was this was my fault, too. Yes, it is. harmful to the best interests, Disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, continued his tirade against me and The Roys Report on Tuesday, repeatedly calling me #JRgossipslut and asserting that I am, According to anindependent auditof Harvest Bible Chapel, disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, siphoned off millions in church funds to support his lavish lifestyle. The elder board is still in the dark. So, Dan, thank you for that. I acknowledge my sin to you. Ive listened to the entire recording. It was a large elder board. And I have, you know, probably probably six weeks later, less than, probably four weeks later or something I I apologized for signing that. I mean, just stuff that you just cant even fathom comes from a man who supposedly is a man of God, a preacher of the gospel. And I sat down on the couch in my office and cried. . Yet another American megachurch is immersed in accusations of wrongdoings. Just finished my post on clarifiers that will precede the deception lists. From the overflow of your heart your mouth (and thumbs) are speaking. I wish I didnt. However, MacDonald texted me an invitation to appear with him in a public forum to answer for the many many lies Ive reportedly written about him. It just seems that the church of the USA is a joke. Dan currently is an executive and leadership coach and the founder of Front Seat Leadership. And scripture is really clear that its got to be, you know, two or three witnesses. But I had all I had all the letters by that point. Church, Ministry News Do you expect ANYONE to say yes to your question. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. And in case you dont know, Dan Marquardt was one of three former elders at Harvest, who stood up to James McDonald in 2013, and was excommunicated as a result. And I thought, Oh, my gosh! I believe the board was deceived by Satan. Well she finally called Julie Jezebel Roys I invited Julie to appear in a public forum before and interested audience and answer for the many many lies she has told about me and my family as well as her bullying of anyone who opposes her or stands with us. Ron Duitsman, Chairman of the Board, who agreed to fire James, now appears to be out there, saying that after James got fired, that the elders were were spinning what happened in a false way. And I sat and prayed. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. You disseminated down to the elders, and then that became really the sticking point for James, wasnt it? Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. And to give you the flavor of the meeting, when I walked in the room, and we all greeted each other, we were in the former executive pastors office around an oval table, and James McDonald sitting across from me. He further claims Harvests elders crafted false accusations against him as a pure act of vindictiveness to cover the churchs looting of his former broadcast ministry, Walk in the Word. You have exemplified godly leadership and godly character. We knew I needed to do it. I see that as just simply implicating a larger group and a conspiracy to use church money for stuff that was never intended. Theres 30 men in the room. There were times in the meeting where, you know, I didnt even know what gaslighting was. And that was the day that Mancow Muller aired these excerpts. But the one letter that isnt published came from Sandy Song. The leaders in our church spoke like KJ era British people when they prayed, I always wondered why. I remember as a young pastor first hearing about James at a 2002 Moody Pastors Conference and reading his well written book on hermeneutics with an apologetic leaning and being blessed from his book. I feel that our beginnings, KJV or influences kept many people locked in to the Old Testament, with all of its Thou Shalt nots. One person suggested reading the New Testament first for a change and then read the Old Testament for the beginnings, the stories and allegories and basically manmade superstitions and misogynies. And at this point, the letters, what had happened with the letters? I felt physically sick reading the letter. This wasnt anything else. In a recent Instagram story, Visconti, pastor of Generation Church in Mesa, claimed abuse is not a biblical justification for divorce. And in an Instagram post on November 21 that received 5,621 likes Visconti wrote: A weak woman with a strong husband will become a strong woman. I knew that I wasnt going to win any arguments in the room. June 17, 2021 James MacDonald, the former megachurch pastor who's been embroiled in scandal and controversy for several years, is lashing out against independent journalist Julie Roys. Yet, Dan, you owned it. She gave it to me to get to the elders. So these letters, and this is what I found really riveting about your story, is when these letters were first given, as you said, they were given to pastors, with the exception of Sandys letter that went directly to you. Whoever said the dumbest thing had to take off an, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation. Julie Roys October 8, 2020. Im Julie Roys. But by the middle of day, right, we were talking about how we were clearly going to have to have an elder board meeting that night. The man does not make the ministry., God [emailprotected]. I didnt know these things were going on, but Im so sorry. A Christian leader, according to 1 Timothy 3:3, should not be "greedy for filthy lucre.". How can a husband love his wife as Christ loved the church when he is emotionally, mentally, physically, and sexually abusive? Julie Roys lives for her anti gospel, anti authority, man hating bias - even partnering with shock jocks like Mancow Muller or worse. The headlines really heated up after the December 2018 publication of "Hard Times at Harvest," a lengthy expos by investigative journalist Julie Roys. And my wife, my wife and I looking at each other and going are we really doing this? I did not. 2. This is this is one of the biggest things elders could do. , but im so sorry 2012, and I looked at it, and I to! 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