AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. Never saw him again. When I went to meps, I went into a room with a doctor, he made me strip down to my underwear and told me to slowly spin in a circle twice, so they will most likely notice any major scars. Now I've been referred to behavioral health for depression. Alright, you've got me interested. This video I react to a video that JTsuits made where a person was kicked out of navy Bootcamp due to them being medically unfit. A slight delay in schedule will not change your end game. In my experience meps isn't that deep of a medical check and it's fairly disorganized. If it had been correctly disclosed, he likely would have required a waiver and additional counseling before joining the Air Force. You might think to yourself, "How could he not know that he needed to disclose this information?" It seems like the most important mission of the army right now its safety and risk management, and with that in mind, it doesn't seem even remotely worth the risk. Your insistence on snapping back or being defensive only adds evidence to a immaturity that will not serve the military. What should I do. 03-10-09, 06:54 PM #10. redsox1804. And more people are going to lie now that everyone is getting diagnosed with ADHD because they're not interested in school (and ADHD is a disqualifier). If you lie about it at MEPS, and get Lying at MEPS, HIPAA and security clearances. My gramma always told me I had to be able to look at myself in the mirror, and know that if I couldn't-- I wouldn't sleep well at night. My recruiter is telling me that some things are best left unsaid. Shoulda been a dishonorable. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Our advice is consistently not to lie at MEPS. Put me in the disqualified for medical category. The main difference between them is that with LASIK, a corneal flap is created and replaced, and with LASEK, the top layer of the cornea is loosened, moved, and reattached. For instance another friend went to meps and when he was doing the eye portion he was wearing contacts and the guy checking him didn't even notice. A slight delay in schedule will not change your end game. Know what makes you a poor candidate. Lying at MEPS about medical or mental health history is a really bad idea with serious consequences, as stated on the Army enlistment contract you sign. Option 1: Being truthful and working a waiver that is doable. Finally, he was incorrectly interpreting the questions from his recruiter and MEPS to what he believed his own history was. This applies to ANY wildcat actions, including slowdown, work-to-rules, withdrawal of enthusiasm (WOE), sickouts, etc. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Questions about joining the Marines? MEPS, Eye Exam, and Lasik It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. I would say lying at meps is a low risk high reward type of deal. What will you do at PI or San Diego when the withdrawal symptoms hit? You should have had a post-op visit to measure refractions at 90 days post-op and then another 30 days after that visit.https://www.public.navy.mil/netc/centers/ceneoddive/ndstc/documents/manmed_chap15.pdf. Having inconsistencies on your forms vs verbal answers is usually a major issue and will make it very difficult for you to get into the Marines now. Retired in '02 as a Senior Chief(E-8 for you landlubbers). The cousin survived, and revealed she was deep in a gambling debt. Lying at MEPS, HIPAA and security clearances. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Also, while you wait for a reply from a subject matter expert, try using the search feature! You're still not getting it. They determined she only had typical "walking" pneumonia, meaning she would just be held back for 1-2 weeks and join another BMT flight to graduation. That's just the way it happens. The forms tell you that you must disclose it. In my experience meps isn't that deep of a medical check and it's fairly disorganized. Talk openly with your recruiter, MEPS staff, and your family. The purpose of this script is to help protect users from doxing, stalking, and harassment. My experience: I told the truth about something that should have been a non-issue. 73. I told him "no" because I did disclose everything with him if asked. If you can not look at yourself in the mirror in the morning it was the wrong decision. Maybe mental health evaluations should be more thorough, the guys with physical problems that the Army didn't know about got found out because they were being physically pushed but the mental nutjobsthey didn't get found out til they got to their unit. However, they also discovered that the member received some depression counseling about 2 years before her MEPS visit, which she conveniently omitted. If you do tell the truth about the surgery and wait 6 months for the lasik, you will probably still be able to get a contract, but you will have to go through a bunch of unnecessary shit. SSG Sean Donahue - Though your verbiage is way bolder than mine (my post on this issue is above) I fully agree with you!!!! Or just give up and wait for a couple of years? It could just be too early that they do not want to be responsible if there is a tear due to your eyes are still healing. Please don't sabotage your own union's efforts on your behalf. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. There are many specific medical conditions that may disqualify you from joining the U.S. Military. May 6, 2020. and our Recruits who pass their physical and have no prior history may be accepted because the military does not routinely pull medical information. It may not display this or other websites correctly. By logging into your account, you agree to our. Cookie Notice See TheBeneGesseritWitch's guide on Paths to become an Officer. As a reminder, this subreddit is for civil discussion. My knees were pretty well shot after 4 years active 11B. Should I lie at MEPS and if so will I likely get caught? So now I have to play stupid as if nothing happened at MEPS but clearly they know I said something at MEPS. How do you think they would perform in a deployment, or at a remote assignment like Turkey or Greenland, or if they married and their future spouse later divorced them? Can You Fix a Lie on Your SF-86 Questionnaire? they'll find out if you need a Top Secret security clearance or if the issue comes up. He. Lied at meps now need TS clearance - ClearanceJobs Blog Handle this the right way, as you should all things. He hadn't been "prescribed" an anti-depressant because he only took some medicine on a short, trial basis. When did the AF start allowing pilots that have had LASIK? I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Do you think that they would have been able to successfully cope with these circumstances following the earlier problems? One new winner* is announced every week! KUDOS! Went to MEPS the next morning and everything was normal until medical debriefing. For candidates lurking here, seeing how the post might apply to their own application, whether for SA or ROTC or OCS: If you have to ask should I Iie, then you already know the answer. Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. I've done the 1 month check and will do the 6, 3 months is coming up so I'll have to get that on the books. Anything that deals with flying can cause problems with some that have had Lasik. HELP!!!! What Is The Biggest Lie You Ever Heard, Told Or Someone Told You? Yes, you need to be caught in the lie, but that isn't as difficult as you might think. uuugh, it was hot. What is the worst that can happen? Further investigation found she had a suicide gesture about 6 years earlier due to stress from a recently ended relationship, loneliness (had no friends for support), and academic struggles (failing some college courses). All Rights Reserved. If you are denied entry to the military, it is very possibly the best thing for both you and the government. a) Check our wiki b) Run a search c) Post your question with a *clear and specific title*, Press J to jump to the feed. Quite a few of the guys in my squadron had a screw lose. He stopped seeing the counselor after only 6 months from beginning counseling and successfully continued his college education. I plan on waiting the 6 months. MEPS consult will do the corneal mapping, so no, we don't just guess at the diagnosis. Did I Lie at MEPS??! In the end, I did everything I could to prove I was completely fine. I informed my recruiter of this incident and he told me not to mention it to MEPS because it won't come back in a police check being so recent. This is for prior service and new applicants. Further, patients often don't ask what their diagnosis is--the patient is focused on their problems and not the administrivia in a medical record. 27. Lasik and Meps processing Currently trying to fill out a packet for OCS, but my recruiter informed me that meps declined my medical history. Know all the risks and procedure limitations. They said "No problem, we'll work around it." Press J to jump to the feed. You probably dont even have ADHD because they hand out those diagnoses to kids like Candy. Lost the navigator slot and was made a C130 mechanic. He was counseled, evaluated, and treated for EIA. Let's Talk 3..e-mail: nathaliemunoz@live.comSubject "Let's Talk" you can send me anything you want from any topic!Previous LET'S TALK:1. https://goo.gl/jim. The suicide counselor for the cousin recognized that our young man was confused and worried from his family's recent crisis. Yes. You are using an out of date browser. The wrist has handled push ups every other day since I was cleared to get back to it and my eyes are perfect, but I'll know for sure at 6 months. LASIK Surgery Checklist. Lying will. I have to go to a cardiologist 3 weeks from now to say if its a no go or not . I was in the same spot. I went through in 2011 after Lasik. I know a guy who lied about lasik because he didn't want to wait 6 months and nobody at meps found out. Integrity is what you do or how you act when no one is watching. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. They do that at the School of Infantry. Privacy Policy. May 14, 2016 Just a note, if you decide to lie about it, you need to be sure that you won't let it slip sometime later. Good luck to you. My gramma always told me I had to be able to look at myself in the mirror, and know that if I couldn't-- I wouldn't sleep well at night. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. She passed all the exams and was cleared, then went to BMT and performed well. Come visit our wiki over in r/Navy. The doctor who found it said it not a big deal and they will let me in . You will not be able to live the Army values and lead Soldiers in the future. Don't worry, you'll be fine, I had no issues. Fraudulent Enlistment. This includes lying by omission (leaving information out) and lying by commission (purposefully misleading). lie at MEPS? We all come to this website for information and most of us have been corrected on our approach by the main contributors in some fashion. why worry about it if it becomes a problem deal with it then. No personally identifying information (PII). Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Now an MTI's recommendations are definitely considered, but they are really just a tiebreaker if the waiver authority is 50/50 on a case, and MTI's certainly do recommend separation sometimes. I swear I was born in the wrong generation. ), Arborry Hill Road Company, LLC Copyright 2006-2023, Service Academy Forums is a registered trademark of Arborry Hill Road Company, LLC. Online posts, including anonymous posts and posts made here on APC, have been used in lawsuits against unions. Handle this the right way, as you should all things. A forum to discuss Navy Recruiters, processing at MEPS, Delayed Entry Program, Enlisted Ratings, "A" Schools, Officer Candidate School, Recruit Training Command, and transferring to your first command. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. This was the man who my friend had confessed his pot usage to when we first showed up a month ago, but now my friend lied to him and he accepted the lie without hesitation. . Ive had the doctor write two letters and both have not been good enough. I had lasik back in November and just had an enhancement to my left eye on Friday that I've been stressing about. They asked him if hadn't told them EVERYTHING and this was his last chance. ; and he asked my friend if he had ever smoked pot. You must log in or register to reply here. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. However, you do sign a paper that allows the navy to look through your medical history if something bad happens during training. So if you do lie and something goes wrong at buds, they do have the right to dig through your medical history and they will probably find out about the surgery and lasik. You may need further evaluation or counseling before you can live a rigorous military lifestyle. If it won't come up again or if you don't need a TS-SCI, you can get away with not telling. Talk openly with your recruiter, MEPS staff, and your family. Im in the same boat, the waiver is an easy one as long as you have a doctors note saying youre fine to be off medication, and being successful for 1-3 years off the medication. Talked to a bunch of people about it and asked why does it say "no" if clearly should have been "yes". They need to have a psychologist evaluate everyone at meps. (yes pretty much threw him and his boss underneath the bus). He also said that as long as I take care of it before I leave, I'll be fine. Press J to jump to the feed. He did well on the entrance exams and was motivated to succeed. Stuck waiting for MEPS to process my info from Military to Military as well as MEPS to MEPS. Its like a doctor told my dad he was going to need immediate knee surgery. Hello, thank you everyone for this forum, it has been incredibly helpful. Glad to hear eye stuff is routine. I'm guessing you're done. MEPS, short for Military Entrance Processing, rolled out a new system yesterday called MHS Genesis. The girl with the suicide attempt would not be allowed to enlist today though. I went through Air Force BMT in the lste 70's . I think the chief issue is your pattern of distrust..and confidence in superiors. View Profile View Forum Posts View Blog Entries View Articles View Gallery Uploads Marine Friend . Then I met his boss; Sub-station commander. I wasn't aware of the 3 months check. I have enough money saved to get the surgery, and I'm willing to wait the 180 days, but I don't know how available that waiver is, and my OR doesn't recommend doing anything that will create more hurdles for me to get past at MEPS, stating each hurdle decreases my chances of becoming an officer. Downside, potentially get caught, hit with fraudulent enlistment, permanently disqualified. Seriously folks, stop with the medical determinations. Do not lie, falsify, or hide information. A young woman wanted to join the Air Force and went to MEPS. He told me not to worry about it and say "no". One of those better to ask for forgiveness than permission situations it seems. Pretend now that either of these people had completed BMT without their prior Mental Health history ever evaluated. After a long conversation with my doc he said there is no way for them to find out unless you tell them. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. A bunch of others told me to just play dumb . I'm certain they won't be. He was only talking to a counselor because his cousin needed help and he wanted to support her as best he could. Unless you know it's a legitimate issue that impairs your physical and/or mental ability to carry out your duties, don't say a thing. I was still in high school, wrecked my car and tore up my hand a few weeks later, was medically discharged :/. There's been zero issues from the surgery and was absolutely necessary as I couldn't do more than 10 pushups without the wrist being in terrible pain. broke my nose in December and had surgery to fix the break and take care of some sinus problems. Looking at your previous 11 posts it looks like you might be joining the Marines. Do people go to jail for lying at MEPS? Not sure why I didnt expect this or was told this. I had lasik about 6 months ago and the recruiter originally told me that all I would need is a letter filled out by the doctor. You have runs risk that a Soldier could not live with. Generally speaking, no. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. She could have been honest about her history and told the Recruiter, who would have told MEPS, who would have requested a waiver, and she would have had a chance at a waiver by doing some additional evaluation. These include conditions like depression, bipolar disorder, epilepsy, heart issues, Asperger's, and PTSD. Comedian and Student of Life | Ep 029 JP Sears, [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Not disclosing information at MEPS - Advice Needed. The lesson is that we need to make it impossible for people to lie. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Seems ridiculous that I had the surgery over a year ago and this is the only thing stopping me from getting processed in MEPs. Do not attempt to interpret the questions your recruiter and MEPS will ask you--answer them as they are written. (January 6, 2021, subversive for attending the rally - not me, but a friend). Should I lie/not mention LASIK when I finally go to MEPs? Hopefully by then youll be completely withdrawn from your meds. First, psychiatrists, psychologists, and sometimes doctors might not directly tell their patients their actual diagnoses because of the stigma and fear surrounding Mental Health. TL; DR Anyone with experience of LASIK eye surgery documentation sent to MEPS. And if you don't know what to do, you have no business applying to the military. PERIOD. Option 2: Lie. Adhd is no big deal, however if it's serious I would lie. First, you are the one liable WHEN you get busted lying. and was it a mistake for being honest at MEPS? We can't definitively know the answer to these hypotheticals, but we do know that the military would have never prepared them for it because they never were evaluated. Overall, I have to say that I am troubled by the way you appear to be perceiving and interacting with the recruiters. For some reason the Pacific breeze didnt reach that area. If I go back to my doctor and ask them to fill it out with the actual dates (even though its not exactly on the mark of '90 days'), will it be a waste of time to send back to MEPS, maybe with a statement attached? Breaking subreddit rules may result in a ban from r/newtothenavy and r/navy. Do you think the risk of getting shit bags and future suicides is worth the chance that one of them might be decent? By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Accidentally or on purpose are applicable. I was honest at MEPS. A recent post made me think of these questions. Keratinous is NOT trifling; it is the major cause for corneal transplant in the US-a very expensive medical issue. Always good advice. Forgetting the medical side of this for a moment You must log in or register to reply here. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. Haven't met a personw ho didn't lie. He might have been denied, or if he was approved, he would at least have been more prepared to handle the BMT experience. Instead, she had abysmal chances for waiver approval because she never got the additional examination needed for a waiver (plus lying isn't helpful to a case), so she was separated despite the recommendation of her MTI. 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