Can you tell me what did a script look like? Q: And just to be clear, the when you wrote the script for Ant-Man, that was also with the full breakdown of the panels? Q: And was it your understanding that when they did buy your work, that they owned all rights to it? Sitelinks. It depends. Q: Do you know what would happen to the script after Stan went over it and made whatever changes? Family (1) [9], In 1941, Lee was made the editor of Timely Comics, the future Marvel Comics, then a division of a publishing company owned by a relative, Martin Goodman. Q: Have you scotch-taped them together? I didn't have any steady work then. Q: Let's talk about Ant-Man. And I, since I was such a big fan of his, I knew that at the end of the day, they would be discarded, you know, and would be trash. Disney's Marvel unit is suing to hold on to full control of Avengers characters including Iron Man, Spider-Man, Dr. None whatsoever. He said, "Oh, you could have said this. LARRY LIEBER: No. I lived with him for a while and it didn't work out so well. Q: Do you remember what the plot was for the first Ant-Man? He still gave me work, he didn't want to take work away, but they were putting out a few more books. Daimon eventually took over Hell in order to bring balance . LARRY LIEBER: Yes. Regardless, his next confirmed credit is penciling and inking the three-page story "A World to Conquer" in Journey into Unknown Worlds #52 (Dec. 1956), followed by stories in such Atlas romance comics as Love Romances, Love Tales, Stories of Romance, True Tales of Love and The Romances of Nurse Helen Grant in issues cover-dated April to August 1957 and July 1958. Q: What was Ant-Man's name? Q: in this photostat copy are scotch tape? After a while, I'd just go to the typewriter. LARRY LIEBER: Yes, Stan Lee. Larry Lieber studied at the Pratt Art Institute, Brooklyn, New York, and the Art Students League, New York City. LARRY LIEBER: I didn't know. Stanley Martin (Stan) Lee formerly Lieber. LARRY LIEBER: It was after I had done The Rawhide Kid and I was trying, trying to earn a living doing some drawing of covers and also writing, and I wrote various stories. [As well i]t was simply too risky for me not to be grooming some other writers to fill the break if necessary. Q: I think you mentioned that you started working at Marvel in about 1958? I I liked it was an opportunity for me to write and draw the same strip, and that appealed to me. LARRY LIEBER: No. Q: Stan Lee. Find out about Stan Lee's family tree, family history, ancestry, ancestors, genealogy, relationships and affairs! [11] Lieber recalled, I don't remember why I wanted to do it, particularly. Lawrence D. "Larry" Lieber (born October 26, 1931) is an American comic book artist and writer, and the younger brother of Marvel Comics' writer, editor and publisher Stan Lee.. Lieber is best known for scripting the first appearances of the Marvel characters Iron Man and Thor; for his long stint both writing and drawing the Marvel Western Rawhide Kid; and for illustrating the newspaper comic . LARRY LIEBER: I believe so. LARRY LIEBER: No. But there's another person who deserves to be in the conversation, even in a smaller capacity: Lee's brother, Larry Lieber. You say the characters? I don't, yeah, I don't know how it came about that way and why I moved on. Yes. I had a furnished room in somebody's apartment. Bryan Hitch Still Drawing The Authority- But For What? Alta Ann (Lieber) Troxel 11 Sep 1934 Jennings, Decatur County, Kansas, USA - 24 Mar 2019 managed by Larry Fisher last edited 13 May 2021. [5] At "about ten-and-a-half", with his brother in U.S. Army, Lieber and his parents returned to Manhattan, moving to the Washington Heights neighborhood. How, how did you come to write the first script for Iron Man? "They needed superhero-reprint covers, and I could do them somewhat in Kirby's style. I used to go to it and gets parts of names to put together."[17]. [6] Lee elsewhere described that move to a two-story, three-bedroom home at 1084 West Broadway as occurring in 1949,[7] when Larry would have been 17 or 18. LARRY LIEBER: I paused. I'm sorry, I don't. Suddenly on Saturday, March 22, 2008 at his home. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. I remember in the early years seeing it. Right here at FameChain. Now, I don't know if I found "Uru" someplace or I just made it up or whatever. LARRY LIEBER: Okay. We're going to focus today on the period from 1958 to 1965, so that's fine. I was very young and I had a couple of jobs. Tudor City had a park, and when it was nice I'd sit there and break the story down picture by picture. Stan Lee. Find Dr. Lieber's phone number, address, insurance information, hospital affiliations and more. Hexagon Comics celebrates the 60th anniversary of Barbarella by releasing two comic books by Jean-Claude Forest, for the first time in English. I I've been looking at the books and it seems with a few of them I did. I assume I I I must have put it in and given it to Stan's office, perhaps his secretary or somebody, I think I did, and then they paid me and I I don't remember. LARRY LIEBER: What's that? Q: If you understand the question, you can In the mid-seventies, he became editor of rival Atlas/Seaboard Comics, that briefly championed creator's rights. LARRY LIEBER: What did a script look like? Then he goes over it, and usually he will change things in the writing, and sometimes in the artwork. Lieber is best known for scripting the first appearances of the Marvel characters Iron Man, Thor, and Ant-Man; for his long stint both writing and . LARRY LIEBER: I'm sorry, I And they didn't give me the work, and Stan had said he wasn't surprised that they didn't because they would be suspicious of me working for them while I'm Stan Lee's brother. MR. TOBEROFF: Objection. The very last line on page19. Well, Marvel was at that time putting out black and white, what we call black and white books. I remember, at the time, I wanted to make everything serious. I said, 'I'm not really a writer.' I made up a plot and I brought it in to the editor, and the editor thought it wasn't good enough and told me to go back and rewrite it, the plot, work on it some more, develop it. Last year, he and several others were called to give depositions in the Kirby family v Marvel case which involves the Kirby family's quest to terminate Marvel's copyrights on 45 characters Kirby helped create. This I happen to remember. No. Q: What is the what is the instance you can recall where you had to redo something and weren't paid for that? LARRY LIEBER: I don't recall the exact words, but the gist of it was that I was giving up all rights to it, that the work, you know, now is with the company and and I don't remember the exact wording, but I think it was something "giving up your rights" or "all rights." Herman "Pete" Lieber was born in Indianapolis, Indiana on November 7, 1944 to parents Kurt. LARRY LIEBER: I wrote the first script for Iron Man also. Q: And the "he" there was Stan Lee? Q: Okay. He additionally began writing it in early 1979. When Larry Lieber went back 'on record', he was being question by Toberoff, who is acting for the Kirby Estate) At this point, business was bad, and I tried to do what I could. How? So I came up with that. Assumes facts. I like it. Also I think its even more dramatic than [the] Spider-Man [comic strip]". LARRY LIEBER: Yes. Entertainment, Inc. 9440 Santa Monica Blvd. And now this is the part where I ask you same thing he asked you: If you can just give a pause so if I have to jump in with an objection. Cross the Rainbow Bridge into the eternal realm of Asgard, and meet Thor's royal family for the first time! Enjoyed this? [24], When Atlas went under, Lieber received six months severance pay and spent time trying to devise a newspaper comic strip for syndication. Lieber is the younger brother of the late Marvel Comics writer, editor, and publisher Stan Lee. The award was presented July 25, 2008, during the 2008 Will Eisner Comic Industry Awards ceremony at Comic-Con International. I didn't have any steady work then. Jacob was born on September 15 1886, in Botosani, Romania. stated in. (break in testimony) LARRY LIEBER: Yeah, that's where it was ripped and I have tape on them. LARRY LIEBER: Well, when I started, as I said, Stan said to me, you know, I said I'm not a writer. Other people know, and if I had the book, I could tell you. And I took them home and I taped them together, you know, I taped them all, and I kept them and I've kept them all these years to look at them and, as I say, to study them. LARRY LIEBER: No. [26] Lee then offered him the editorship of Marvel UK, the New York City-based imprint that produced black-and-white reprint comics for the UK market, as well as new stories of the superhero Captain Britain. The only, and this isn't interviewed, but, no, no, no, no, no. Larry Lieber. Joan Lieber. [4] Already interested in art and drawing by this time, he attended George Washington High School there. [22] Lieber wrote the first nine Ant-Man stories (following the character's non-costumed introduction months earlier) in Tales to Astonish #35-43 (Sept. 1962 - May 1963) before veteran Ernie Hart did five issues, followed by Lee taking over. Q: Okay. Maybe they then sent them to you at home. Died 12 Nov 2018 at age 95 in Los Angeles, Los Angeles . [27][28] Lieber said Lee gave a rare compliment on the Hulk strip, telling his brother, "[I]t's very good. We went to a typewriter store on Lexington Avenue and I paid for it, sure. Q: And those scripts were purchased by Marvel? [20] For another series, starring the Human Torch from the Fantastic Four, Lieber co-created the longstanding supervillain the Wizard in Strange Tales #102 (Nov. Lawrence D. Lieber[1] (/libr/; born October 26, 1931)[2] is an American comic book artist and writer best known as co-creator of the Marvel Comics superheroes Iron Man, Thor, and Ant-Man; for his long stint both writing and drawing the Marvel Western Rawhide Kid; and for illustrating the newspaper comic strip The Amazing Spider-Man from 1986 to September 2018. Q: Did Marvel provide you with any health insurance or health benefits during the time you worked there? I know I got paid. LARRY LIEBER: I believe so. I'm sorry. LARRY LIEBER: Whether it was, you know, the various artists, yeah. With Rita Moreno, Sally Field, Jane Fonda, Lily Tomlin and Tom Brady. My only experience was in the color comics. Born: 1931 October 26 in Manhattan, New York City, New York, United States Notes: To be confirmed against the Who's Who entry. Q: Who would make the decision about who was going to write the scripts for a book? Q: Did they did Marvel provide you with any paid vacation? [15], Lieber's earliest, tentatively confirmed pre-superhero Marvel script is for the six-page Don Heck-illustrated "I Am the Beast-Man" in Strange Tales #77 (Oct. 1960), and his first confirmed is the 13-page "I Led the Strange Search for Manoo", penciled by Kirby and inked by Dick Ayers, in Amazing Adventures #2 (July 1961). "[10] There Lieber began illustrating comic books; his first known credit is penciling and inking the four-page story crime comics story "Cop on the Beat", by an unknown writer, in All True Crime #44 (cover-dated May 1951). Jeff Rovin came from Warren, and he knew nothing about color comics. Q: And when you say you were writing the stories, what exactly were you writing? And as time went on, he had fewer to make. LARRY LIEBER: Henry Pym, P-Y-M. Q: Did you ever look at the pencilled drawings after or look at the inked drawings or look at the final book after you had turned in the script? View the profiles of people named Larry Lieber. He was very easy, he was showing me and he'd make some little corrections. "[8], At 17, Lieber became a messenger for The New York Times and also found work at the Times Square studio of Sam Furber, a letterer whose work included movie posters. I'm sorry, what? LARRY LIEBER: Oh, no. It was the latter half of the 1960s when I became infatuated with Marvel Comics, among the favorites was Larry's Rawhide Kid. He said, Larry if you want, you can write The Hulk and draw it. From his 2010 deposition: 17 (break in testimony) LARRY LIEBER: Well, this must have been a Hulk story and I have the originals at home. And I don't remember the specific story, but I was working on something and maybe a zombie book or a horror book or some such thing, and I I was given I had to make up a story. I made up stories that I really liked and it lasted a little while. The award was presented July 25, 2008, during the 2008 Will Eisner Comic Industry Awards ceremony at Comic-Con International.[30]. . I used to go to it and gets parts of names to put together."[17]. I didn't want to hear something like that." Q: Do you know who, after you turned in the script, do you know who the artist was that drew Thor? LARRY LIEBER: Yeah. Q: None whatsoever? As Stan Lee recalled, in his trademark jocular style, in 1974, Heretofore, I had written all of the origin tales of each new character, as well as the subsequent follow-up stories in every series. date of birth. Q: Who came up with the ideas for the characters that would be in the story? "[24] He considered seeking work at rival DC Comics, as some other Marvel writers and artists did, but found, "I was the only one who could never do that because that was the price for Stan being my brother. I didn't want to give a light tone to it. Lee co-created Spider-Man, the Hulk, Doctor Strange, the Fantastic Four, Iron Man . In 2008, he was one of two recipients of that year's Bill Finger Award, which annually honors one living and one deceased comics creator. I don't recall. And it was kind of fun and he liked what I did. What I didn't prefer was the style that was developing. Q: Did you have any conversations or any interactions with Jack Kirby about the Thor book? LARRY LIEBER: Oh, okay. I tried to get names that fit the the person. Q: What's your understanding of what Marvel style was? Assumes facts. But I don't yeah, yeah, Stan. But a page of script would have panel one, panel two, panel three. a little space for myself or something, and I wanted to do a little drawing again. Genealogy for Celia Lieber (Solomon) (1894 - 1947) family tree on Geni, with over 230 million profiles of ancestors and living relatives. I think he went out to Hollywood or out to California and that's when Jim Shooter came in [as Marvel editor-in-chief] and took over. For roughly a year-and-a-half, he lived in the since-defunct Hotel Manhattan Towers, a residence hotel at Broadway and West 76th Street in Manhattan. LARRY LIEBER: I think I wrote the first the first script. [19], Lieber in 1999 remembered circumstances less hyperbolically: "Thor was just another story. LARRY LIEBER: I sent it to the artist who yeah. Were the scripts that you wrote for Iron Man, Ant-Man and Thor, were those Marvel style? Lieber, by now living in the Tudor City apartment complex in Manhattan, began freelancing[14] regularly for the nascent Marvel Comics, "writing stories for Jack [Kirby] to draw",[12] referring to the artist who had co-created Captain America for the company in 1940 and had recently returned for a long, exclusive stint in which Kirby would co-create many signature Marvel characters in the Silver Age of Comics. LARRY LIEBER: Stan. I mean, what would you what would you turn in? I think it might have been Don Heck, but I'm not sure. I simply wouldn't have the time to continue with The Fantastic Four, The Hulk, Spider-Man and the other odd Western, mystery, romance, humor, and assorted monster tales I was writing and still do justice to our newest feature yet a'borning. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. LARRY LIEBER: and I made it up." My brother was back from the Service, he was just married and he moved out outside of New York to Long Island. [11] Because it was not standard industry practice during this time to give writer and artist credits, Lieber may have supplied more. He is now 83 years old. Q: Can you tell me how you came into possession specifically of these drawings? Q: When you would receive a check from Marvel, was there anything printed on the check besides, you know, your name and the amount? Lieber recalled in 1999 he had written some or all of these stories himself, "because I remember Stan was saying to me, 'You write romances really well. He said, 'Oh, I've read your letters.'"[13]. Slowly surveying our entire, vast writing staff which mainly consisted of myself and any occasional freelancer who happened to wander in to make a free phone call my gaze happened to fall upon Larry Lieber and I remembered that he had many times expressed a desire to write a superhero story. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. Well, wait a minute. Larry Lieber is the younger brother of Stan Lee. So I always felt I couldn't get work from any other company, and some years later, I met the man who was the, I guess, art director there and we were we were chatting, and I happened to bring this up about I sent work over and I never got it, and he looked at me in surprise and said, "You mean that was on the level?" LARRY LIEBER: No. It had been written, yeah, before me by Stan and Jack Kirby. Fury war-comics story or a standalone tale in one of the Marvel line of black-and-white magazines such as Vampire Tales or Haunt of Horror. August 06, 2007. That started out with my brother writing it and me drawing it, penciling it, and it didn't do well and he finally said I could write it, and I wrote that for a while. Did you look at a book again? Lieber is now 89 years old and worked on the earliest comics versions of Thor, Iron Man, and . And he took the drawings, he had these drawings, he took them and he tore them in half and he threw them in a trash can, a large trash can. For another series, starring the Human Torch from the Fantastic Four, Lieber co-created the longstanding supervillain the Wizard in Strange Tales #102 (Nov. 1962). LARRY LIEBER: Oh, I would turn in the script. Yeah, I would bring it to the office. The Mandalorian Season 3 Opener Reveals Cara Dune's Fate (SPOILERS), Star Trek: Picard Showrunner Terry Matalas Teases Next TNG Alum Return, Grant Morrison Promises Eden's End, Poison Peach & It's A Dead, Buffy: Pedro Pascal Had "Best Time" Filming with Sarah Michelle Gellar, A Black Rose Fate Awaits Power Girl (Action Comics #1052 Spoilers), Frasier: Bebe Neuwirth Returning for Paramount , Kelsey Grammer Series, Sarah Michelle Gellar Shares "Buffy"/Pedro Pascal Reminder (RIP Eddie). David Banner seeks a cure while C.I.A. Q: Do you know who the artist was who drew the first Iron Man? He additionally began writing it in early 1979. LARRY LIEBER: No. LARRY LIEBER: In those days, yes. And then there was maybe not there, but I know I maybe it was it was there and also in the New York Times they had an article about this case some time ago, and in the article they mentioned again what it was about. LARRY LIEBER: I didn't hear. I would see what they're doing and go back or whatever the hell it was. See templates for discussion to help reach a consensus. I don't remember why I wanted to do it, particularly. LARRY LIEBER: I got the synopsis, the plot from Stan, and I wrote the first script of Thor. Q: Actually, I said "correct," so your Wikipedia (15 entries) edit. Q: And you say, "They were full scripts and I didn't think of Jack when I wrote it at all. [5] At "about ten-and-a-half", with his brother in the U.S. Army, Lieber and his parents returned to Manhattan, moving to the Washington Heights neighborhood. He is the younger brother of Marvel Comics ' writer, editor, and publisher Stan Lee . '"[20] Under Lee's plotting, Lieber's eight Thor stories also introduced the Marvel characters Loki, Odin, and Balder, from the pantheon of Norse mythological gods; their home, Asgard; and Bifrost the Rainbow Bridge, which connected that realm to Earth. LARRY LIEBER: Probably I brought it to the office, I would say. I wanted to leave, so I left. Or else I I either brought it to the office and handed it to Stan, who must have sent it, or else I sent it. No. LARRY LIEBER: I really don't. He, he I never had to, you know, go home and do it again. They would have thought Stan Lee is sending over a spy or something you know. Since I knew how to draw, I'd think, 'Oh, this shot will have a guy coming this way this shot will have a guy looking down on him,' and later I'd sit at the typewriter and type it up. The artist made the change after a reader complained the cut was too old-fashioned. Tudor City had a park, and when it was nice I'd sit there and break the story down picture by picture. LARRY LIEBER: It seems that way. From 1974 to 1975, he was editor of Atlas/Seaboard Comics. Q: Okay. Dr. Lawrence Lieber, MD is an Orthopedic Surgery Specialist in Downers Grove, IL and has over 42 years of experience in the medical field. LARRY LIEBER: No. MR. TOBEROFF: Objection to form. As Lieber recalled of those creature features, Stan made up the plot, and then he'd give it to me, and I'd write the script. I used to get names out of the back of the dictionary, from the biographical section where you have foreign names, Russian, this and that. I didn't hear anything, so I just that was my first assumption, but I didn't know. LARRY LIEBER: No. In his early childhood he spent time living in. It was always check. Yes. LARRY LIEBER: I just made it up, as far as I know. Q: Okay. [8], Lieber, who credits Lee as a good editor, writer and writing teacher, said his brother made very few editorial changes to Lieber's scripts. Again, either I just made it up or I felt it was a name that would fit a guy who was very, very rich and a lady you know, I wanted I thought it sounded distinguished and wealthy or something. I did not get paid as much as Stan, you know, his rate. So I used to think, gee, well, you know, he draws faster than I can write, but I I wrote and mailed it to him. Stan was born in New York City, to Celia (Solomon) and Jack Lieber, a dress cutter. But I always wrote a script here. I was working during the day and I went to [the Pratt Institute art school, in Brooklyn, in] the evening. That was the way I interpreted it anyway. I felt I would have more control over it. LARRY LIEBER: Scotch tape. Writer: Iron Man. Larry has testified in both Federal and State courts on the subjects of computer . His family had to live in financial difficulties in a one-bedroom apartment. LARRY LIEBER: Well, my brother made up the plot and gave me a synopsis. Q: You also at times did artwork? '"[13] In 1958, following an economic downturn for the publisher and the firing of virtually all the comics staffers save Lee, "Stan said he wanted somebody to help him write, and he had nobody then; he was doing it all himself. 0 references. (break in testimony) LARRY LIEBER: Yes. I had been living with relatives and I was going to the Art Students League studying Larry Lieber (Lawrence D. Lieber) was born on 26 October, 1931 in Manhattan, New York City, New York, USA, is a Writer, Miscellaneous. "I was drawing, but I was slow. Solicited for comment, celebrity hairstylist Jose Eber said he "would have made it sexier.". Lieber in 1999 remembered circumstances less hyperbolically: "Thor was just another story. LARRY LIEBER: And once I tried, because I couldn't get work from Marvel and I sent some samples of my not original artwork because I didn't have it, but I sent some comic books over to DC through a friend of mine, Frank Giacoia, who had worked for them, they knew him. [3] When he was six months old, the family moved to The Bronx,[4] settling into at 1720 University Avenue, which Lee described as a one-bedroom, "third-floor apartment facing out back", with him and Larry sharing a bedroom and his parents using a foldout couch. Changes in not in the basic story or anything, because I knew how to tell a story as well as anybody, I think, in terms of sequentially and what to draw, what to tell the artist. Q: That was my next question. I know that at the time I wanted what's the expression? Q: Do you know the story behind the creation of Thor? Son of Simon Lieber and Minnie (?) Q: Did you ever have discussions with artists about the stories or the scripts? Jack might have been I think Jack was the first. Larry Lieber (est. Lee has one younger brother, comic book artist and writer Larry Lieber. And as time went on, he had fewer to make."[14]. Jury finds Harvard professor Charles Lieber guilty of hiding ties to China Charles Lieber, the former chair of Harvard's chemistry department, has been convicted of lying to the university and the . 3: Randy's New Obsession? MR. TOBEROFF: Just a second. LARRY LIEBER: I don't know the year, you know, all the years and I don't know if it was. He also wrote the newspaper Spider-Man comic strip for years. [25][26] With co-scripter Gary Friedrich primarily, Lieber wrote the hero's seven-page lead feature in the weekly Captain Britain #24-37 (March 23 - June 22, 1977), and, with co-writer Jim Lawrence, Captain Britain adventures in Marvel UK's Super Spider-Man #233-246 (July 27-Oct. 26, 1977). MR. TOBEROFF: Objection. Q: Moving to a different subject, you testified earlier that it was your recollection that there were legends on the back of checks you received from Marvel for your freelance work? His wife Joan, to whom he'd been married since 1949 . One of the things I had to do was to cut rates and tell people they were going to make less money, which was not an enviable position. Stan had his own way of writing and his own using as few words as possible, making them count, and he he was a good editor.

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